Should there be an EU military?

[Mingle]

EU army inevitable, says senior German official

One of Germany’s most senior defence officials has become the latest to add his voice to calls for a European army.

Hans-Peter Bartels, Germany’s national defence commissioner, on Monday called for Nato’s EU members to organise their militaries into a single force.

“In the end, there will be a European army,” he said.

His comments, on the same day Brexit talks formally began, are a sign the rest of the EU is preparing to press ahead with further defence integration.

Britain has repeatedly blocked plans for an integrated European defence policy, but other member states have warned it cannot expect to have a say in the issue post-Brexit.

There have been growing calls for a single European defence policy in the wake of Donald Trump’s comments that Nato is “obsolete”.

At a Nato summit last month President Trump publicly lectured European leaders on the need to pay more towards the cost of their defence.

“We are currently disorganised, technically fragmented and duplicate structures unnecesarily," Mr Bartels said.

“We do not want to go down the solitary national path any more. Not in Germany, not in the Netherlands, not in the Czech Republic and not in Italy.”

France and Germany have led calls for a European army. The Netherlands and Germany have already merged some units, while the Czech Republic and Romania have expressed interest.

“Every step in the right direction is important,” Mr Bartels, an official appointed by the German parliament to oversee the military said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...rman-official/

[Dragoon]

In general no.

If you put a gun to my head I would say yes, but with the following conditions:

1)EU stops antiChristian bs
2)EU stops mass immigration and deports
3)EU becomes independant of NATO
4)EU allows Russia
5)EU is not dictated by Germany or any other country.

[catgeorge]

There is already a Balkan Battlegroup. Very well trained I hear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Battlegroup

[Mingle]

If the European Union had just one army, it would save member states 20 billion euros each year.

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2...native-english

[Ziveth]

In general no.

If you put a gun to my head I would say yes, but with the following conditions:

1)EU stops antiChristian bs
2)EU stops mass immigration and deports
3)EU becomes independant of NATO
4)EU allows Russia
5)EU is not dictated by Germany or any other country.

I agree, those conditions would be very good.

[N1019]

oh yeah, great... coimpletely surrender to the globalists, completely give up what little sovereignty is left.. Eurocucks just don't get it, do they?


And all the suggestion about becoming independent of NATO, allowing Russia in, it's just fanciful bullshit. Not gonna happen.

The EU is an occupied territory. If people haven't realised that by now, they probably never will, but that doesn't mean the member states should bend over and sell out even more than they already have. They should be moving in the opposite direction.

[Mingle]

It took 70 years, but the European Union finally signed a pact today (Nov. 13) agreeing to integrate military funding, weapons development, and deployment of European defenses.
US president’s Donald Trump’s frequent accusations that EU countries do not pay enough into NATO has been one catalyst for them move forward with a unified plan for military cooperation. The other is that it could legitimately diminish the bloc’s dependence on US military support.

EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, called the pact “historic” as “the real problem is not how much we spend, it is the fact we spend in a fragmented manner.” She also said it would strengthen the work of the US-led NATO.

The UK had always resisted the idea of joint EU defense, fearing some kind of big “European army,” but the country’s planned exit from the bloc has removed that hurdle, allowing 23 other EU countries to move forward. Once Brexit happens, the UK could still possibly be involved, but for a price.

The group will have a €5 billion ($5.8 billion) European Defense Fund to buy weapons, a different fund for operations, and also get money from the EU budget for research. In the end, it means that the EU would have stronger, better synchronized national military forces to respond to crises together. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel called it a “milestone in European development.”

Co-development of weapons could be good news for European defense companies. “I think it is a potential game-changer,” Haman Buskhe, the CEO of Swedish defense company Saab told the Wall Street Journal (paywall). “This could develop new products and help increase efficiency in Europe.”

The next step will be for EU leaders to sign the legally binding agreement in December.

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https://qz.com/1127984/eu-army-bloc-...us-dependence/

[AL00]

No just because European are not a united and cohesively folk.

[Finnish Swede]

It would be the same as NATO. Pointless imo.

Nope, it would not be...if you live in Finland or Sweden.

Voted yes.

[Mingle]

Nope, it would not be...if you live in Finland or Sweden.

Voted yes.

Would you still support an EU military if Finland and Sweden joined NATO?

How come you guys don't join NATO btw? I think the reason is because Finland and Sweden want to stay neutral, but they are already in the EU. And staying neutral just for the sake of staying neutral seems a bit immature (no offense) when they are obviously Western aligned countries. Do you think Finland and Sweden are better off like this or should they join NATO?