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    Quote Originally Posted by Pausanias View Post
    Modern Greeks are just the direct descendants of the ancient ones.
    Loving the Greek culture and feel hate for nowadays Greece/Greeks, is something schizophrenic.

    The term "neo-greek" was invented by those who envy the Greeks.
    hahahahahahhahahah...this guy

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    I guess I'll just have to leave you albs have the usual family quarrel.

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    tsakonian is probably a mixed albanian greek creole language
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    tsakonian is probably a mixed albanian greek creole language
    Theres nothing albanian about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Theres nothing albanian about it
    The k to ts is an fenomenon that exist in albanian also. We also use -ου onstead of o. Example ζενζμαδους instead of a more greek pronounciation ζενζμαδος, especially in gheg, the -ους is very heavy in pronounciation. And the Tsakonian guy in that video has the most albanian appearance and manerisms i have seen in a greek to this day.

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    It sounds like Griko, particularly its Apulian dialect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trilecce View Post
    The k to ts is an fenomenon that exist in albanian also. We also use -ου onstead of o. Example ζενζμαδους instead of a more greek pronounciation ζενζμαδος, especially in gheg, the -ους is very heavy in pronounciation. And the Tsakonian guy in that video has the most albanian appearance and manerisms i have seen in a greek to this day.
    Thats not a very compelling case to prove it is related to Albanian. The switching from k to ts is called tsitakismos and is present in many southern Greek dialects, especially in the Aegean and Crete. No scholarly analysis of the Tsakonian language ive seen has suggested a relationship to Albanian. We have to remember, Greek and Albanian come from different language families, centum and satem.

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    I doubt it's influenced by Albanian, anyways it's an interesting dialect which was spoken by Spartans meaning that it has preserved ancient elements. Ancient Dorian in other words

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Thats not a very compelling case to prove it is related to Albanian. The switching from k to ts is called tsitakismos and is present in many southern Greek dialects, especially in the Aegean and Crete. No scholarly analysis of the Tsakonian language ive seen has suggested a relationship to Albanian. We have to remember, Greek and Albanian come from different language families, centum and satem.
    All this talk about centum and satem. Do you even know what it is???
    Centum is for languages who use a k sound as in old latin word for 100 which is centum or phonetically kentum. Satem languages have turned their k into a s hence the word satem. An example is cent in english which is phonetically "sent".

    If you read wikipedia you can learn this... "The centum–satem division forms an isogloss in synchronic descriptions of Indo-European languages"

    Synchrony is greek you should easily understand that this means that the division between centum and satem takes no regard to the languages history. Latin was a centum since thay said kentum, today the say tsento...

    And i dont think tsakonika is inflenced by albanian or vice-versa. Im just pointing out similarities with no regard to how the similarities came about. Peace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Interesting, thanks for sharing. Here is a video I found, can you understand what he says?

    I can but his native language is Standard Modern Greek.

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