Why Russia takes Ukraine lands but gives own to China?

[Ülev]

Lyssyi don't destroy ukrainian-turkish brotherhood https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2...r-altay-engine

[ЛыSSый]

ay, just wait sor some days and your goverment will find some dead ex-warrior with partially russian background from random batallion.

[Sarmatian]

OP is an idiot who knows nothing about that story with the islands. The entire dispute over them erupted because the islands aren't permanent, the river banks are changing all the time. It has taken few decades of negotiations to develop satisfactory diplomatic mechanism for resolving of such disputes. Before they were always resolved by force everywhere around the globe. In this case initial military conflict was ceased and dispute shifted to diplomatic measures, which is quite an achievement if you ask me. It sets precedent of peaceful dealing with changing geographical entities which are being used as reference points to draw borders.

[Hexachordia]

Heixiazi island is just a tiny land within a border river between Russia and China, it has no strategic value no extended water territory at all. It was given to China as a symbolic gesture of mutual concession in resolving disputes which might involve hundrels of millions km^2 territory occupied by Russia. Do you know that KMT of Taiwan never acknowledges Siberia as Russian territory but CCP does? I personally do not care about Siberia because I think it is a land of savages. I prefer Germany to retrieve Konigsburg and UK must pay effusively for its opportunistic Brexit, and that Russia keeping Siberia, I would not accept Siberia even if given. Crimea problem, I think it should be independent, no military occupation by any nation just like some pacific independent islands, like Fiji kingdom or Mauritius.

[Hexachordia]

Ukrain would be too optimistic about EU intervention, reviewing the history of Treaty of Paris (1856), which punished Russia for invasion into Ottoman and Austria empires. Russia got the greenlight to breach the agreement when France was defeated by prussians, France and UK effectually betrayed Austria and Ottoman empires. Both of the betrayed nations faced disasterous defeats in later Russo-turkish war and then in WW1. France was just like a Russia in the heart of Europe, UK just sat back and watched. The west will surely betray anyone who entrusts democracy to them at a crucial point, yet people have to entrust as long as it becomes necessary, and you should prepare to face all the consequences if you want to cooperate with the west. Turky had been sold to Russia once, looked like a fool when the west gave up the 1856 treaty. The west also helped soviets to destroy germanic cities during WW2, they are envious of the germans, and nazis knew so they treated french and british people like japanese treated chinese people, killing all resisting people even if they were not considered as inferior. France, UK, USA are not to be trusted, but to be used.

The west probably only wanted to defeat their eastern enemies at war, and then let their former allies be taken by eastern infiltration. It was how USSR came into existence. Communist Russia and China are the western pet hounds. Even If they try to annex you into their system like EU, you will still have Brexit, Le Pen, Trump such opportunistic buffoons meddling with the prospect of peace again and again, behold how the circus of the greatest liars unfolds.

[Böri]

OP is an idiot who knows nothing about that story with the islands. The entire dispute over them erupted because the islands aren't permanent, the river banks are changing all the time. It has taken few decades of negotiations to develop satisfactory diplomatic mechanism for resolving of such disputes. Before they were always resolved by force everywhere around the globe. In this case initial military conflict was ceased and dispute shifted to diplomatic measures, which is quite an achievement if you ask me. It sets precedent of peaceful dealing with changing geographical entities which are being used as reference points to draw borders.

Omg. You know what? F•ck your ad hominem. Your arguments are poor and even if we take them seriously still point confirmed. Russia finds peaceful middle way with its brother China but shows middle finger to Japan who asks own territory back (Kuril) and use brute force against Ukraine because Ukraine aligned with West today. Thats the fact. Russia acts brotherly with China but with hate against Ukraine, west, Japan. So this shows where Russia stands, rest is useless speech and forum discussion.

[Albobalboa]

Although that area seems to have zero strategic value, it does have symbolic value. This is Russia kneeling before the Chinese with a mouth wide open. Now you can say that they kneeled for some heterosexual purposes (diplomatic agreement), but it still looks gay from the outside.

Pressure on Siberia will increase as China grows as it has insane demographic strength and Siberia is damn near empty. But since Russians are pretty much mongolian rapespawns I don't think they care as much as the Americans. If the Chinese would get a territory such as Siberia they could use it better than the Russians and really become a new superpower.

[Sarmatian]

Omg. You know what? F•ck your ad hominem. Your arguments are poor and even if we take them seriously still point confirmed. Russia finds peaceful middle way with its brother China but shows middle finger to Japan who asks own territory back (Kuril) and use brute force against Ukraine because Ukraine aligned with West today. Thats the fact. Russia acts brotherly with China but with hate against Ukraine, west, Japan. So this shows where Russia stands, rest is useless speech and forum discussion.

How many decades of negotiations had it taken to resolve the issue with China? Sure in your eyes waging a full scale war over it was far better thing. Thanks god you don't run politics in any country.

Kurils are not Japanese territory. They had never established administrative facilities on the islands only limiting their rights on it via empty claims. The territories were subject of disputes ever since Russia came in contact with Japan. At some point they were resolved but later Japanese abused their advantageous positions during wartime to attack Russian mainland prompting Russia to retaliate and secure its border. Thus it can't be their own territory, they lost it in war and it's their own fault they did.

As for using brute force against Ukraine it's laughable claim. If Russia would've used force against Ukraine we would've had Russian tanks in Kiev years ago.

Before you spew more imbecilic rants learn one simple truth - there is no brotherly or hateful acts in international politics. It's all about interests of big players. Today interests of Russia and China are more or less same thus they act together to secure these interests.

PS Crimea is Russia, Alaska is Russia. Everything belongs to Russia, except Kosovo. Kosovo je Serbia

[Hexachordia]

Although that area seems to have zero strategic value, it does have symbolic value. This is Russia kneeling before the Chinese with a mouth wide open. Now you can say that they kneeled for some heterosexual purposes (diplomatic agreement), but it still looks gay from the outside.

Pressure on Siberia will increase as China grows as it has insane demographic strength and Siberia is damn near empty. But since Russians are pretty much mongolian rapespawns I don't think they care as much as the Americans. If the Chinese would get a territory such as Siberia they could use it better than the Russians and really become a new superpower.

You must know where was the dispute that to be resolved? NOT on the chinese occupied territory! BUT on russian occupied territory! China received nothing more than an insignificant piece of sedimentary ait(not even called "island" proper), without rights to economic waters. And CCP gave up territory of 3-4 million km^2 siberian lands which is still claimed by KMT in Taiwan. Though I do think this resolution is mutually conceded, but for many chinese, CCP officially ceded siberian land to Russia. This is no Russia knelling to China, but more like China kissed the hand of Putin. Actually I am with CCP to cede Siberia to Russia, I do not want that piece of land, my culture is in the south, we were invaded numerous times by people from Siberia, we do not consider Siberia as a part of our culture, as I am not even fully Han. I would avoid Siberia like a plague.

[zhaoyun]

Although that area seems to have zero strategic value, it does have symbolic value. This is Russia kneeling before the Chinese with a mouth wide open. Now you can say that they kneeled for some heterosexual purposes (diplomatic agreement), but it still looks gay from the outside.

Pressure on Siberia will increase as China grows as it has insane demographic strength and Siberia is damn near empty. But since Russians are pretty much mongolian rapespawns I don't think they care as much as the Americans. If the Chinese would get a territory such as Siberia they could use it better than the Russians and really become a new superpower.

China's population is rapidly getting older and richer. Do you think an old and wealthy population wants to fight the deep winters of Siberia to settle on some barren piece of land? lol

That's laughable. Why does California have 40 million people and Wyoming have 500,000? There are reasons for that.