North African GEDMATCH kits?

[Lucas]

Nice!
This is what I have. Designations are according to some calculators, in others they are for example Mozabite Berbers.
T735750 N,MArocco
MAroko / Alg M009453
A224684 Tunisian
M486530 Tunisian
T313649 Tunisian
M538925 tunisian
M303344 Algerian
M000570 Algerian
T365742 Algerian
M930030
M457115
M047926

[Lucas]

Stats for them in K36. As you see I tried to find those with lowest West African. North East african in this calc is probably Egyptian. East African is Horner maybe.

[Lucas]

I uploaded pure Mozabite Berber from HGDP
T691712

His result in K36

Arabian 3.00
Central_African 0.05
East_African 0.80
Iberian 8.64
Near_Eastern 4.57
North_African 64.17
Northeast_African 3.01
Omotic 0.68
Pygmy 0.35
West_African 4.67
West_Med 5.01


MDLP K23b
Population

Caucasian 1.46
European_Early_Farmers 4.84
Archaic_African 5.29
North_African 86.86
African_Pygmy 0.69
European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.80

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite ( ) 12.99
2 Saharawi ( ) 33.79
3 Berber_WGA ( ) 34.97
4 Morocco_South ( ) 43.93
5 Moroccan ( ) 51.66
6 Algerian ( ) 51.77
7 Shaigi_Sudan ( ) 53.46
8 Tunisian ( ) 56.4
9 Amhara ( ) 79.51
10 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 83.33

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 100% Mozabite ( ) + 0% !Kung ( ) @ 12.99


So pure Berbers have likely 5% West African.
20-25% is just one black slave ancestor for supposed modern North African.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

Stats for them in K36. As you see I tried to find those with lowest West African. North East african in this calc is probably Egyptian. East African is Horner maybe.

Nice work

Northeast_African is the Ethiopians with the lowest SSA:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3...xQdGpZdW8/edit

Doing an average of North Africans is indeed complicated as their SSA (more the West African) fluctuates a lot. The Northeast African is more constant, it's mostly stabilized and probably came with their Y-DNA E-M78. Some Northern Moroccans like the one I gave you before (M374338) are almost free of West African, but they're becoming a very rare thing...

[Lucas]

Later I check yours and post updated stats.

[Lucas]

Interesting why Iberian in North Africans?

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

I uploaded pure Mozabite Berber from HGDP
T691712

20-25% is just one black slave ancestor for supposed modern North African.

It's not optimal to test North African HGDP genomes as they're being used as source for the North African component in this calculator, so they're gonna get inflated North African values due to being compared to themselves.

Even today Northern Moroccans aren't 20-25% SSA, that only happens when you remove the North African component, like in the k15. They're more like 10-12%. A short explanation of it is already on Anthrogenica, so I'll just redirect you to it:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post201467

Southern Moroccans are a different story, they fluctuate a lot, and a lot of them migrate north. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of this century Morocco becomes almost a Sub-Saharan African country ethnically, if things continue like this.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

Interesting why Iberian in North Africans?

Probably comes from Iberomaurasian times.

Almost certainly Iberomaurusian/Oranian is an offshoot of SW European Solutrean. Iberomaurasian is the first known Upper Paleolithic ("mode 4") culture in NW Africa (West of Cyrenaica) and Taforalt is the oldest of its sites if I'm correct, with a pattern of expansion from West to East also apparent in the mtDNA U6 substructure (U6a however may have back-migrated from Nubia later on, along other lineages).

Anyway, Iberomaurasian or not, it's old, and more similar to Neolithic Farmer-Iberians than modern day Iberians.

[Lucas]

I didn't use Mozabite Berber in general stats. He is only for comparison here. But it's real person either.
Another story that in one-to-many I can find because of him many other Berbers (which are not part of reference set).

[Antimage]

Interesting why Iberian in North Africans?

expulsion of iberian muslims to north africa? Afaik most moors/muslims in Spain were native converts.