The world without Arab and Turkish incursions

[Kyp]

Meson and me wouldn't exist

[Annihilus]

Meson and me wouldn't exist

Change a little thing in the past and nobody as we know exists in the present, let alone something big like mentioned.

[Marmara]

People fail to notice, Turkic incursion empowered Iran, If we didn't step in the Middle Eastern stage, Iran would have become another Arab state. Many Turkic dynasties were founded and ruled over Iran (Ghaznavids, Seljuks, Aq Qoyunlu, Qajar) and contributed in foundation of Safavid dynasty.

[Kyp]

People fail to notice, Turkic incursion empowered Iran, If we didn't step in the Middle Eastern stage, Iran would have become another Arab state. Many Turkic dynasties were founded and ruled over Iran (Ghaznavids, Seljuks, Aq Qoyunlu, Qajar) and contributed in foundation of Safavid dynasty.

I agree. Afterall it was a Turk (Shah Ismail) who reasserted Iranian identity.

[Aspirin]

Better question would be how would the world look like without European incursions, invasions and slavery.

This is basically what Turks did in my area for centuries with their steppe brazzers Tatars.

[Babak]

I agree. Afterall it was a Turk (Shah Ismail) who reasserted Iranian identitiy.

The Iranian identity was already revived by the Samanids after the Arab invasions. Safavids simply reunified the country to what it is today.

The Samanid Empire is part of the Iranian Intermezzo, which saw the creation of a Persianate culture and identity that brought Iranian speech and traditions into the fold of the Islamic world. This would later lead to the formation of the Turko-Persian culture.[11]

[Kyp]

The Iranian identity was already revived by the Samanids after the Arab invasions. Safavids simply reunified the country to what it is today.

The Samanid Empire is part of the Iranian Intermezzo, which saw the creation of a Persianate culture and identity that brought Iranian speech and traditions into the fold of the Islamic world. This would later lead to the formation of the Turko-Persian culture.[11]

True. Maybe my wording was wrong. But nonetheless, Turks played a part in the reestablishment of Greater Iran. That's fair to point out. They shouldn't be viewed as a foreign entity in an Iranian context like arabs for example.

[Babak]

True. Maybe my wording was wrong. But nonetheless, Turks played a part in the reestablishment of Greater Iran. That's fair to point out. They shouldn't be viewed as a foreign entity in an Iranian context like arabs for example.

Oh yea, def. They contributed a lot to Iranian history and even prevented Iran from losing its "Iraniness" despite any attempt by foreign powers.

[Negah]

The Iranian identity was already revived by the Samanids after the Arab invasions. Safavids simply reunified the country to what it is today.

The Samanid Empire is part of the Iranian Intermezzo, which saw the creation of a Persianate culture and identity that brought Iranian speech and traditions into the fold of the Islamic world. This would later lead to the formation of the Turko-Persian culture.[11]

The Persian culture was revived in a new form under the Samanid and continued under other dynasties. A new form of the Persian language was created, etc.

Samanid was centered in Greater Khorasan ( Eastern Iran, Northern Afghanistan, Ferghana Valley) region

Iran as a political entity was reestablished under Shah Ismail I and the Safavid. Also, IMO the last time Iran was great was under Safavid.

[Negah]

True. Maybe my wording was wrong. But nonetheless, Turks played a part in the reestablishment of Greater Iran. That's fair to point out. They shouldn't be viewed as a foreign entity in an Iranian context like arabs for example.

Turks embraced Persian culture and took it far and wide.