Why the Trinity is False

[UkrainianGirl]

So scripture proves itself? Does that sound logical?

What it claims is a God and proves what form He is. That is what a religious book should do that claims of one. And scripture should all work together because it will be of no use if it contradicts itself. I am not claiming scripture proves itself nor was I preaching. I just showed two verses I liked. You can believe in the tooth fairy even and I would not care lol. But showing two verses I like has nothing to do with logic or lack of.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

What it claims is a God and proves what form He is. That is what a religious book should do that claims of one. And scripture should all work together because it will be of no use if it contradicts itself. I am not claiming scripture proves itself nor was I preaching. I just showed two verses I liked. You can believe in the tooth fairy even and I would not care lol. But showing two verses I like has nothing to do with logic or lack of.

I agree with all you said but even the trinity is a contradiction according to scripture. The oneness of God is fundamental to the Torah, and the concept of trinity completely antithetical to its scripture.

[Insuperable]

Wow, a random trans girl on a random Internet forum managed to destroy centuries of Christian history and philosophy with 'logic' that is seemingly obvious to a little child because she learned how to add yesterday. Eh, if things were that easy.

Christians like to use the analogy with triple point of matter to bring this concept a bit closer. It is a point where three states of matter (solid, liquid and gas) co-exist and despite being one the same substance phases have distinct properties. In the end this analogy as others are not really suitable for analogy with Trinity despite having several other touch points, but just to give some image. Although mathematically consistent, quantum world is permeated with concepts (such as superposition of states) that are hard to understand in classical material world. Particles (like say photons) have dual nature and act like both waves and particles at the same time. What forbids me from saying in that case that particles are like 1+1=1?

John Polkinghorne, a physicist and a priest wrote:

The physical world looks more and more like a universe that would be the fitting creation of the trinitarian God, the One whose deepest reality is relational.

Whatever the case may be, explainable or understanable with our logic or not when theists think of God they think of God who transcends 'theologically' 'absolute' infinity or eternity (compared to other types of defined infinities), so why would someone limit what God is.

But of course, silly me, I often forget that Muslimes are at their core very materialistic people and think very materialistically in accordance with their subhuman prophet who even described heaven as a place of meal, servants and gangbang.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Doesn't matter. They are 3 in 1 God as my verses stated. I used scripture I don't care much for the math part.

To be fair, is this not idolatry, then?

The OT says no man is God, and if you worship man as God then you are an idolater, this is what the Jews believe.

I consider Jesus to be God's son but not God himself, otherwise that would contradict the OT AFAIK - and if that is contradicted then the whole thing falls apart.

[Insuperable]

To be fair, is this not idolatry, then?

The OT says no man is God, and if you worship man as God then you are an idolater, this is what the Jews believe.

I consider Jesus to be God's son but not God himself, otherwise that would contradict the OT AFAIK - and if that is contradicted then the whole thing falls apart.

In Christian theology Jesus was both fully God and fully man (hypostatic union). Another counterintuitive concept for people.
Phillipians 2:6-7

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped (or cling to), but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

I don't think Christians should be too preocupied with the Trinity and hypostatic concept. I think Christians through other teachings in the Bible, the life of Jesus and so on can come to conclusion about the true religion.

[UkrainianGirl]

To be fair, is this not idolatry, then?

The OT says no man is God, and if you worship man as God then you are an idolater, this is what the Jews believe.

I consider Jesus to be God's son but not God himself, otherwise that would contradict the OT AFAIK - and if that is contradicted then the whole thing falls apart.

No, Jesus was nothing like me and you. Instead, he gave up His divine privileges; He took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form. Philippians 2:7 as Wota fug stated. Those who praise Mary should be more worried about idolatry. God was before Mary in the first place and only used her as a way to come here. How can OT God have a mother if he created humans in the first place and is much older than Mary?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

No, Jesus was nothing like me and you. Instead, he gave up His divine privileges; He took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form. Philippians 2:7 as Wota fug stated. Those who praise Mary should be more worried about idolatry. God was before Mary in the first place and only used her as a way to come here. How can OT God have a mother if he created humans in the first place and is much older than Mary?

So you admit Jesus is human..then you say we must still worship him as God? I am having a hard time following.

I understand the idea is that Jesus is both God and Human, but if he is Human to begin with, why should we call him God? Was it ever said that the Messiah would be God himself as a human? I don't think so, in fact the idea of a human claiming to be God is called idolatry.

[UkrainianGirl]

So you admit Jesus is human..then you say we must still worship him as God? I am having a hard time following.

I understand the idea is that Jesus is both God and Human, but if he is Human to begin with, why should we call him God? Was it ever said that the Messiah would be God himself as a human? I don't think so, in fact the idea of a human claiming to be God is called idolatry.

No, Jesus was there from the very beginning as God before creation. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1. Then when Jesus spoke He said this very important verse...""Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'” John 8:58. He was telling them He was in existence before Abraham was even born. Also "I am" was what the OT testament God used to call Himself. So OT and NT are both called "I AM". And Jesus is also known as Emmanuel(God with us). Therefore, God of OT came to Earth in human form as He said in OT He would. Then His disciples slowly learned it from Him." Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”" John 20:28. So even His disciples knew Him as God. And God can do anything and even appear as a human if needed. He is almighty and powerful. Also to God is three parts. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Like it is with us. We have blood (Son who died on cross is the blood part of God), we have our soul/spirit (God is Holy Spirit part of Himself), and we have organs/body parts (God the Father completes everything else of Godhead). So you see all three are different parts of One being.

[jingorex]

the only Trinity i know was a stripper outside of Ft. Benning, on Victory dr.

she was always honest with me, never false.

[wvwvw]

A good analogy may be the sun.

Father is the Sun.
Jesus is the sun rays.
Holy Spirit is the warmth we feel.

The Father is the source of life, the Sun, always shining. Jesus is the channel, the sun rays, as "no one comes to the Father except through me". We are filled with the Holy Spirit, the warmth, when the sun ray reaches us. All three are of the same entity and nature, yet perceived differently to us.

Or to quote Edgar Cayne

The so-called "trinity" that Christians talk about (i.e., Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is actually how God can be viewed from the earth's three-dimensional perspective. That is, God can be viewed three-dimensionally as Mind, Body, and Spirit. In this sense, the trinity can be explained as the "Mind of God", the "Body of God," and the "Spirit of God." The Bible describes this as the "Mind of Christ" which is the Son - the light of God. The "Body of Christ" which is the Father - the life of God. And the "Spirit of Christ" which is the Holy Spirit - the love of God. This is why Jesus could say that "you are gods." In other words, all humans can be as Jesus was: one with the Mind of God, the Body of God, and the Spirit of God. (Edgar Cayce)