Origins of the Turkish flag

[Böri]

Your post seems like you are targeting Balkan Turks who migrated to Turkey and associating them with Syrians.

Balkan Turks are descent of old Turkish colonists.
Refugees from Balkans actually try to put themselves in the same basket as them... To have similar treatment, or to show their ranks more numerous.

Anyway, the flooding of Syrians and Iraqis make people reassess some old unbalanced situations, which is normal.

[StonyArabia]

The flag is Byzantine and that of the city of Constantinople.
The conquering degenerate fracticide, devshirme-lover, who also killed his baby half-brother, lacked any originality obviously and adopted something that's Greek.

That said, seeing MENA's and Balkanians claiming as theirs is another level of trying to suck Turkey.
Behind such attempts always come other attempts to suck Turks. Like asking Turkish taxpayers money to be invested in those countries, right to immigrate to Turkey and live off etc.

Balkanians have more chance, traditionally. Their relatively lighter skin and features give them advantage in contrast to brown and hairy, sandnigger Middle Easterners.
Those refugee-descents live off in Istanbul and Izmir from Turkish taxpayers money. In a country built by Turks and upon the blood of Turks. When Turks are fighting here and there, and dying, those are always absent for some reasons.


This religion and these people start now to be too much to bear. Because the root reason is religion, when you think about it.
And Because religion is always there to try to justify what's not justifiable. And religion; and the society which is created by religion can't be bearable when reasoning.

Turks are much more hairy than Arabian peninsulars or North Africans. Turks are quite hairy actually. No the Crescent and star were used in Arabian paganism long before Turks showed up. Al-Uzza was always depicted with it.

[Yaglakar]

Most of the so called Köktürk coins were minted in Samarqand by the Sogdians for the local Türk administration in those lands, some were minted in Tokharia, but none come from Mongolia or Altai.




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And as a watchful observer might notice, the symbol is not necessarily crescent and star, but more often crescent and sun. Anyhow, the crescent symbol most likely spread in the Islamic world through conquests of Turkic speaking groups who were converting to Islam.

[lonewolfcypriot]

I always assumed that the Red represented the blood of all the soldiers who laid there lives to protect their country and that the moon and star was the reflection from the night sky.

[Böri]

There is nothing holy about it. There are other mythologies in Turkey about it like that it was born during the battle of Kosovo... Supposedly the blood of soldiers spilled and gathered at some place while forming a puddle all red and that night, supposedly again, there was crescent and star on the sky that reflected on the blood puddle... Creating that flag.

That's legend. You know it because the Byzantines were using it before the Ottomans.

Byzantine flag for Constantinople city used for centuries until 1453:




That's pagan origin Greek flag, coming from the worship of stars and the moon deep in its origins.
Mehmed II the Fracticide adopted it because his mother was Greek and felt close to them. He even minted coins where he claims to emperor of Rome. Some historians argue that he was crypto-Christian (Orthodox) while some modern scholars like Celal Şengör tell that he didn't believe at all and was Atheist mocking all religions.

[Ryujin]

Historically-speaking; it's not certain. The modern Turkish flag is derived from the 1844 version, the official adaptation of a national flag. It's also known that the flag is identical to the Byzantine Constantinople flag.

Considering the fact that Ottoman sultans were quite fond of adapting Byzantine elements, Mehmed II calling himself a new Caesar etc., it's also possible that they adopted the Byzantine symbol.

But there are evidences that crescent and star were also used by Central Asian Turks.

Ataturk attempted to change the Turkish flag in 1930s with the flag of Gokturks, the first Turkic state. But it didn't come into practice:

[Kyp]

This might as well just be an attempt of historical re-engineering which Atatürk is famous for.. It has it's roots in Ottoman times and is therefore rightfully associated with Islam in Europe. Ottomans were the symbol of Islamization in all of Europe.

The origin of the Turkish flag is not really established 100%.

You can always find some different origin for something if you want. We can go on and say the cross is not a christian symbol etc..

[Bmack]

I thought star and crescent moon originated in sumeria? from the pagan moon God which later became Allah in eslam.

There are depictions of it dating as back as 4000 B.C. afaik.

[Ryujin]

This might as well just be an attempt of historical re-engineering which Atatürk is famous for.. It has it's roots in Ottoman times and is therefore rightfully associated with Islam in Europe. Ottomans were the symbol of Islamization in all of Europe.

The origin of the Turkish flag is not really established 100%.

You can always find some different origin for something if you want. We can go on and say the cross is not a christian symbol etc..

Cross is a Christian symbol, it's clear. It's mentioned in the Bible. So it's not the same thing.

Crescent and star are not mentioned in Qur'an or any ancient Islamic source. The Islamic attribution comes from the non-Islamic perception, not Islam or Muslims themselves.

[Bender1999]

Historically-speaking; it's not certain. The modern Turkish flag is derived from the 1844 version, the official adaptation of a national flag. It's also known that the flag is identical to the Byzantine Constantinople flag.

Considering the fact that Ottoman sultans were quite fond of adapting Byzantine elements, Mehmed II calling himself a new Caesar etc., it's also possible that they adopted the Byzantine symbol.

But there are evidences that crescent and star were also used by Central Asian Turks.

Ataturk attempted to change the Turkish flag in 1930s with the flag of Gokturks, the first Turkic state. But it didn't come into practice:

This flag would make sense if all Turkics were united, what obviously would be a dream too. Actually, Turkish flag was a model for many flags around the world, and that should make us proud.

Crescent was a popular symbol of many civilizations: Rome,Germanics, Byzantine, Turkics etc. I doubt that Ottomans took it from Byzantines or from their Turkic ancestors, it is simply their “invention“. The only reason why it is associated with Islam is because Ottomans were synonymous for Islamic world, obviously it has not any relation to a religion, maybe to the old native religions of Eurasian peoples. People who hate this flag either say it because they don’t like Ottomans and claim nonsense like people who say it is an old Turkic flag without any proofs.