Post pictures of Russian Nordids either Male or Female

[XenophobicPrussian]

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None of that has to do with Proto-Indo-Europeans, and we don't even know who PIE was yet(probably something like Stredny Strog and we have no genomes from there). All of those cultures mentioned like Andronovo are later cultures that came from Central Europe or Poland(increased WHG/farmer admixture from Yamnaya/Corded Ware).

None of the examples posted in this thread are Corded Nordids, as in, people common in the Corded Ware culture. Corded Ware samples were very dark, only some light people. Yamnaya was even darker. Only when they got more WHG admixture(Unetice, Andronovo, Sintashta, Leki Male) did they become light.

This would've been what Corded Ware looked like(and even that's being generous as this guy's a Lithuanian and Corded Ware were more east shifted than Ukrainians):







Yamnaya probably would've looked like long skulled modern Tatar types.

[Peterski]

This is the average Proto-Indo-European:

MOESAN from Eupedia commented about that phenotype:

"You know what I mean about averaging collective mensurations to produce this kind of 'average man' - look at the 'average pops' produced by Dienekes some time ago - that said, if I take this picture, not as a mean type whic doesn't exist, but as a mean collective result of mensurations, it tell me these Steppes people was far enough of true 'cromagnoids' and were only as a mean large faced people with over-mean facial index and not true broad facial index (BTW it could be their 'brünnoid' input, always stronger in E-Europe than in West - higher jaw/narrower jaw spite broad bizygomatic's - associated to an increase in body stature (they were tall, whatever the reason) - all that said, we still know little about some crossings results upon means, not by force the expected results based upon 'father types' means. based on this picture I don't find it evocates something very typically northeuropean of any sort but facila reconstruction is an artistic sport."

[RN97]

They brought a mixture of Cro-Magnid and Nordid types.

The average Proto-Indo-European was more Cro-Magnid than Nordid, but Russian anthropologists tended to focus on more Nordid individuals (who were in minority among the PIE community).

Mlukas posted this on a Polish forum:

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?s...post&p=1636327

About Afanasievo, Andronovo, etc. phenotypes. Oshanin L. V., Antropological Composition of the population of Central Asia, and ethnogenesis of its peoples, 1964:







This is the average Proto-Indo-European:



But some of PIE individuals were like this:

Exactly! A lot of NW and NE Europeans take UP form rather than nordic/ med because you have more European HG ancestry. However you still have a lot of neolithic ancestry as well probably why nordics are found in northern Europe as well. Just compare these:
Finnish nordic:

Italian mediterranean


Sicilian med:

Galacian danubian nordic:


Swiss med:

Norwegian hallstatt



Most of those that Deymark posted are rather trønders or nordics mixed with upper paleolithic (or CMish if you wish) types.

[Peterski]

XenophobicPrussian,

We can identify where and when the PIE lived based on what their language tells us about their technology, and which archaeological cultures match this technological profile. Based on reconstructions of the PIE language, we know that they had words for:

- to domesticate; goat; bull; cow; to milk; milk; quark (cheese); butter;

- harness; drawbar; to transport; to harness, draught animal; ox; horse;

- blacksmith; glue; crane; lister plow; wheel; Winter;

- sheep; ram; wool; to sew / to weave / to spin;

- honeybee; alcohol (mead / wine); to brew (e.g. beer);

All of this indicates (based on archaeology) that PIE language was spoken in the Pontic-Caspian-Volga Steppe between 5000 BC and 2500 BC. Before 5000 BC many of technological innovations known to PIE people were still unknown. After 2000 BC, there were already many Indo-European languages (we have Anatolian, Greek and Indo-Aryan texts from the 2nd millennium BC).

We know, that they had the word for blacksmith. It means, that they had the knowledge of metal working. The oldest evidence of copper working is from 5700 BC.

They had the word for Winter, which means that they were not from the Middle East.

They probably had the knowledge of skids and sleigh (in addition to wheels).

According to linguists, such as Guus Kroonen, most of words related to farming in Indo-Europeans languages are of Non-Indo-European origin. It means, that the PIE were not sedentary farmers.

However, they had many words related to herding. So they were pastoralists.

TMRCAs of R1 subclades associated with Indo-Eurppeans are dated to this period (5000-2500 BC):

https://www.yfull.com/tree/

[Deymark]

They brought a mixture of Cro-Magnid and Nordid types.

The average Proto-Indo-European was more Cro-Magnid than Nordid, but Russian anthropologists tended to focus on more Nordid individuals (who were in minority among the PIE community).

I know,i was just posting the nordid which what most people understand ,Corded.

Most of those that Deymark posted are rather trønders or nordics mixed with upper paleolithic (or CMish if you wish) types.

Lol,except that except 1 guy the rest are russian.
You dont understand,med has nothing to do with nordid whatsover ,meds have progresive features wheras nordics angular full european ones,meds came much earlier during neolitic period the nordids came from the russian steppe.
The "Galacian danubian nordic" you posted has aproximately 0.00% nordid in him.The posted hallstatt does not fit among the examples i posted,too gracile in features and mixed.Your only nordish examples that compare to med are those heavy mixed with other elements,they have 0% in common ,this is not a debate.

Average R1A

[Peterski]

RN97,

you still have a lot of neolithic ancestry as well probably why nordics are found in northern Europe as well.

Nope, Nordids are not from Neolithic ancestry because PIE had no Neolithic ancestry.

I assume that by Neolithic you mean Anatolian Neolithic (or Early European Farmer) DNA.

And Proto-Indo-Europeans had no Neolithic DNA, but they did have Nordid individuals.

Which means, that Nordid type cannot be associated with EEF (or Neolithic) admixture.

The PIE had some kind of southern admixture, but it was from Caucasus or from Iran.

[Deymark]

RN97,



Nope, Nordids are not from Neolithic ancestry because PIE had no Neolithic ancestry.

I assume that by Neolithic you mean Anatolian Neolithic (or Early European Farmer) DNA.

And Proto-Indo-Europeans had no Neolithic DNA, but they did have Nordid individuals.

Which means, that Nordid type cannot be associated with EEF (or Neolithic) admixture.

The PIE had some kind of southern admixture, but it was from Caucasus or from Iran.

Would you say this russian is a good example for the more CM one ,along with Klokov?

[RN97]

I know,i was just posting the nordid which what most people understand ,Corded.



Lol,except that except 1 guy the rest are russian.
You dont understand,med has nothing to do with nordid whatsover ,meds have progresive features wheras nordics angular full european ones,meds came much earlier during neolitic period the nordids came from the russian steppe.
The "Galacian danubian nordic" you posted has aproximately 0.00% nordid in him.The posted hallstatt does not fit among the examples i posted,too gracile in features and mixed.Your only nordish examples that compare to med are those heavy mixed with other elements,they have 0% in common ,this is not a debate.

Trønder is a type that's nordic with UP admixture, it has little to do with Trønderlag other than the fact that it was named after that dummy. Hallstatt nordic is named after well.... Hallstatt, but not all hallstatt nordics are from hallstatts. I don't care what your opinion is about what is or is not nordic. It's clearly defined by Coon and most reliable anthropologists!
This broski (with awesome hair BTW ;D) is not nordic proper, but trønder. Nordic mixed with UP.

Even the biased Hans Gunther that never saw a relationship of nordics and meds gave examples that look awfully like meds.




The idea that "sharp features" matter such, is a internet anthrotard idea. It's not really relevant in most cases.

[Peterski]

"The Smith and the Devil" is a Proto-Indo-European folktale, it is at least 6000 years old:

"Comparative phylogenetic analyses uncover the ancient roots of Indo-European folktales":

http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.o...ent/3/1/150645

Estimated age: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35358487

[RN97]

RN97,



Nope, Nordids are not from Neolithic ancestry because PIE had no Neolithic ancestry.

I assume that by Neolithic you mean Anatolian Neolithic (or Early European Farmer) DNA.

And Proto-Indo-Europeans had no Neolithic DNA, but they did have Nordid individuals.

Which means, that Nordid type cannot be associated with EEF (or Neolithic) admixture.

The PIE had some kind of southern admixture, but it was from Caucasus or from Iran.

Hmmm..... IDK that much about genetics and that was indeed what I meant. How do you explain the striking similarity between nordics and meds???
Today northern Euros do have neolithic admixture, were nordic proper types found among PIE?