Turkey - Erdogan destroyed Ataturk's Republic & Democracy?

[sean]

The legacy of Ataturk was always a very thin sham. Ataturk was an authoritarian nationalist. He was even against economic liberalism. He didn't come up with a new ideology replacing Islam, he just changed the administrative system which worked for a short amount of time. He reformed the government, educational system, economy, the legal system, abolished the sharia courts, abolished Islamic headwear, abolished all forms of slavery practiced at the time, abolished every title of esteem such as sheikh, and made certain that every citizen had equal rights before the eyes of the law. He wasn't a great thinker and innovator, but just a copier and implementer of existing Western ideas.

Ataturk worship is pushed on modern Turks because "Turkish" is actually a very weak identity. They all speak the language but the Ottoman Empire was a cosmopolitan multi-ethnic empire. After WW1 the only way they could stop the complete breakup and partitioning of the empire was to shove this secular nationalist ideology down everyone's throat and commit mass genocide of minorities. Several minority groups were completely wiped out/kicked out. Several languages were banned. Forced name changes for citizens, places, and even animals and plants, to make them all sound turkish.

The whole "democratic, secular Ataturk legacy" thing is basically a myth thats been going for almost 100 years but is falling apart at the seams. It only worked while the going was good, when they were able to subdue all opposition.

Erdogan simply endeared himself with the Turkish people by uplifting many people out of poverty and building modern infrastructure, but his goodwill was burned up when he became combative with his neighbours and global superpowers, once the economy took a hit, something most Turks use as a barometer for political success, the writing was on the wall.

[Kivan]

The genetic Turk doesn't exist, it's a multicultural and multi-ethnic society which was a leftover of the Ottoman Islamic Caliphate, .

I wonder why a Moroccan is so obsessed with Turks (you don't stop mentioning Turks even in unrelated threads, i noticed it several times) and obsessed in spread bullshit/lies about Turks/Turkey. Even bumping such stupid threads.

Ataturk just merely created an artificial nationality and 'united' the 'Turks' under that artificial identity

Please, don't make such statements out from your ass:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.42
2 North_European 17.38
3 Atlantic_Med 13.95
4 Gedrosia 11.02
5 Southwest_Asian 9.06
6 Siberian 7.72
7 East_Asian 3.91
8 South_Asian 2.65
9 Southeast_Asian 0.47
10 East_African 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.76
2 Turks (Behar) 15.55
3 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 16.02
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.45
5 Greek (Dodecad) 18.11
6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.46
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.8
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.59
9 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.15
10 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 20.15
11 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.17
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 21.99
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 22
14 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.56
15 Lebanese (Behar) 22.56
16 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 22.74
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 22.98
18 Iranian (Dodecad) 23.04
19 Kurd (Dodecad) 23.43
20 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.46

[Adamm]

I wonder why a Moroccan is so obsessed with Turks (you don't stop mentioning Turks even in unrelated threads, i noticed it several times) and obsessed in spread bullshit/lies about Turks/Turkey. Even bumping such stupid threads.



Please, don't make such statements out from your ass:

I did it on purpose because you keep on downvoting me every time I mention the word 'Turk', you just proofed yourself to be a pathetic person. When I say that a person looks Turkish (like that Palestinian guy) you downvote me, why the fuck would you do that? Why are you so buthurtt about this? And you have done this over 5 times already, almost all my downvotes come from you just because I mention the word 'Turk'. I'm not obsessed with Turks, I'm trolling you.

[Synapsid]

I did it on purpose because you keep on downvoting me every time I mention the word 'Turk', you just proofed yourself to be a pathetic person. When I say that a person looks Turkish (like that Palestinian guy) you downvote me, why the fuck would you do that? Why are you so buthurtt about this? And you have done this over 5 times already, almost all my downvotes come from you just because I mention the word 'Turk'. I'm not obsessed with Turks, I'm trolling you.

would you say Morroco has a stronger historic legitimacy as a state compared to Turkey?

[Adamm]

would you say Morroco has a stronger historic legitimacy as a state compared to Turkey?

Of course, we're very homogeneous as a people and we're basically the same as 2000 years ago. Turkey on the other hand is a multi-ethnic society which derives its state-identity from Turkic heritage, and we all know where they originally came from (not from Anatolia).

[Synapsid]

Of course, we're very homogeneous as a people and we're basically the same as 2000 years ago. Turkey on the other hand is a multi-ethnic society which derives its state-identity from Turkic heritage, and we all know where they originally came from (not from Anatolia).

Interesting. Would you say Morroco's historical foundations has roots its amazigh past or Arab past?

[Adamm]

Interesting. Would you say Morroco's historical foundations has roots its amazigh past or Arab past?

Modern Morocco has its roots in both but I wouldn't call it an Arab past, it was more of an Islamic past. The Arabs (umayads) were relatively kicked out very soon after they controlled North-West Africa (around 50 years ofoccupation). Amazigh identity still manifests itself in Morocco throughout many ways, from language to culture.

[Synapsid]

Modern Morocco has its roots in both but I wouldn't call it an Arab past, it was more of an Islamic past. The Arabs (umayads) were relatively kicked out very soon after they controlled North-West Africa (around 50 years ofoccupation). Amazigh identity still manifests itself in Morocco throughout many ways, from language to culture.

Who would you say the average Amazigh feel closer to, Iberians or Turks?

[itilvolga]

The genetic Turk doesn't exist, it's a multicultural and multi-ethnic society which was a leftover of the Ottoman Islamic Caliphate, Ataturk just merely created an artificial nationality and 'united' the 'Turks' under that artificial identity.

lol