Y-DNA of the Ashina dynasty

**Voskos** · 04-20-2017, 12:26 PM

Researchers such as H.W. Haussig,[1] S.G. Kljyashtorny,[2][3] A.N. Bernstamm,[4] C. V. Findley,[5] B.A. Muratov,[6] R.R. Suyunov,[7] D.G. Savinov,[8] S.P. Guschin,[6] Rona-Tas[9] and R.N. Frye[10] have pointed out that the origin of the Ashina is from the Iranian Saka-Wusun. They have put forward this version of the following arguments:

Subclade of clan Ashina: R1a-Z93, Z94+, Z2123-, Y2632-.(Ashide: Q1a-L53)[11] In this research, six R-Z94 applicants, who identifies themselves as descendants of the Ashina clan and whose ancestors are known to be originated from Gaochang(高昌), are listed as the descendants of the Ashina, with four of them from China having a surname Shi(史) and two of them from Pashtun Afganistan and Bulgaria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina

**Peterski** · 04-20-2017, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Thevillager

the origin of the Ashina is from the Iranian Saka-Wusun.

Indeed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wusun

The Wusun (Chinese: 烏孫; pinyin: Wūsūn; Wade–Giles: Wū-sūn; literally: "grandchildren/descendents of the crow/raven") were an Indo-European semi-nomadic steppe people mentioned in Chinese records from the 2nd century BC to the 5th century AD.

**~~Böri~~** · 04-20-2017, 12:57 PM

Sh!t. So Rethel not only has 3-4 accounts on TA but also fake Wikipedia pages with his IE bias? 24 7 operational, he doesnt sleep no rest. Ottoman dynasty which Turkmen also R1a-Z93 which is Turkic R1a subclade. Go away with your Gypsy supremacist agenda.

**~~Turkminator~~** · 04-20-2017, 06:51 PM

No suprise!

R1a-Turkic-Conquerers!

**~~Böri~~** · 04-22-2017, 12:33 PM

Ashina Jiesheshuai (Kürşad)

He was a member of the Turkic noble family Ashina clan of Eastern Turkic khaganate and general (Zhonglangjiang) of the Tang Dynasty.

He is one of Shibi Khan's sons and the younger brother of Ashina Shibobi (Chinese: 阿史那什钵苾), who was vassal khagan of Tang dynasty and used the title of Tölis Khan.

Tang China defeated The Eastern Turkic khaganate and the khaganate became the vassal of Tang China in 630. During this period some Turkic nobles were enrolled in Chinese army. Ashina Jiesheshuai was among these nobles. He was planning to assassinate Taizong.

Jiucheng Palace raid
By summer 639, as Ashina Jiesheshuai had not been favored by the Tang Dynasty's Emperor Taizong (because he had falsely accused his brother Ashina Shibobi of treason, which Emperor Taizong found despicable), he formed a conspiracy with Ashina Shibobi's son Ashina Hexiangu (Chinese: 阿史那賀暹鶻) to assassinate Emperor Taizong at his summer palace, Jiucheng Palace (九成宮, in modern Linyou County, Shaanxi). They had planned to wait for Li Zhi the Prince of Jin to depart from the palace in the morning and use that opportunity to attack the palace. On the day they planned, May 19,[7] however, Li Zhi did not leave the palace due to a storm and immediately afterwards heavy rainfall. Ashina Jiesheshuai attacked the palace anyway, engaging the palace guards, but the guards was supported by troops who came outside. Ashina Jiesheshuai and his comrades stole some 20 horses from the stable. They fled to the north, but were caught by pursuers near the Wei River and killed. Ashina Hexiangu was exiled to Lingbiao.[3]
After this incident, however, the officials began advocating sending Turks (or Tujue as they were known to the Chinese) away from the heart of the state. In fall 639, Emperor Taizong created a Göktürk-Tujue prince who had served him faithfully, Li Simo (né Ashina Simo) as the khan of a newly recreated Eastern Tujue state (as Qilibi Khan), giving him all of the Tujue and Hu who had surrendered as his subordinates, to be settled north of the Great Wall and the Yellow River. However, the Tujue people were fearful of Xueyantuo and initially refused to go to their new location. Emperor Taizong issued an edict to Xueyantuo's khan Yi'nan that he and Li Simo keep their peace and not attack each other, and after receiving from Yi'nan the assurance that he would not attack, the Tujue people moved to the new location.

Aftermath
Jiesheshuai's attempted rebellion was unsuccessful. But in 681 they revolted against Tang dynasty and re-established Eastern Turkic khaganate.

Cultural influences
A prominent Turkish nationalist Nihal Atsız used some characteristics of Ashina Jiesheshuai for a fictional character named Kür Şad in the novel Bozkurtların Ölümü (The deaths of gray wolves). However in the novel, the father of Kürşad is not Shibi Khan but Chuluo Khan (Çuluk Han).[8]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_Jiesheshuai

**~~Kamal900~~** · 04-22-2017, 12:40 PM

So, it tells us that they are of Iranian or Indo-European origins. No surprise there considering that he ancient PIE peoples had been mixing with the local eastern Eurasian women of Siberia and Mongolia since ancient times.