Y-DNA of the Ashina dynasty

[Böri]

Pure propaganda.
they didn't find Ötüken where the ancestors of Göktürks were burried and where Turks were honoring the souls of their ancestors.

Some Russians only speculate and just try to link Turks to Pashtun R1a z93. They can't accept that Rus (Viking-Slav tribes) also started as Kaghanate, borrowed state system and civilization from Khazar Turks...

More and more research are undergoing in Mongolia by archeologists.
R1a Z93 is pro-Indo-Europeanist Gypsy propaganda.

I don't say anything for sure but it might turn like the 2500 years old Pazyryk Kurgan...

Beside 'Ashina' is the Sinic word.
Turkic runic texts don't mention the name of the tribe in question so we don't know the name for sure.

[Turkminator]

There is no such thing as Pashtune R1a.

[Marmara]

I'm not a pro at Y-DNA but R1 is not rare among Turkics at all.

[Böri]

I'm not a pro at Y-DNA but R1 is not rare among Turkics at all.

It's present but rare. Only 1 of +30 old Hunnic (Xiongnu) samples were R1a. Egyin göl and Karasuk.
I am not R1 hater, nor got y-dna test.

Here the issue, people who make the propaganda are Russian 'scientists'. They want the Göktürk and Khazar elites to be linked with Indo-Europeans.

They didn't discover Ötüken forest and burials of old Turks So that's just wishes.
Nothing scientific.

LOL the only thing they do it's to compare and try to find similar traits in old customs and legends of Turks and subjected Iranians like Wusun.

Wusun were IE Iranians who were dominated and sujugated by Xiongnu, just as Tocharians were.

[Marmara]

It's present but rare. Only 1 of +30 old Hunnic (Xiongnu) samples were R1a. Egyin göl and Karasuk.
I am not R1 hater, nor got y-dna test.

Here the issue, people who make the propaganda are Russian 'scientists'. They want the Göktürk and Khazar elites to be linked with Indo-Europeans.
They didn't discover Ötüken forest and burials of old Turks So that's just wishes.
Nothing scientific.

There is centuries between Xiognu and Göktürk Khaganate. There is also Huns in between. I would not be surprised that Turkics got R1 in this timeline (hence the high amount of R1 present among Turkics) but it was definetly not through IE expansion, but instead establishing confederations and mixing in time with Scythians who were steppe warriors like Turkics. This is my theory.

[Austrvegr]

Ashina < Iranic Akhshayna (Blue). Go:k is a translation of the name into the language of subjugated Turkic tribes.

[blogen]

Asina at Róna-Tas: Old Turkic ečü=as (ancestor) +ana/ene (means: mother). Asena is a female wolf, the ancestor of the Türks. Not a surprise, the mythical ancestor of the Árpád-house for example was Enéh or Amăšĕ (ana/ene = mother) and his son was Előd (means Ancestor in the Hungarian). Typical story about the ancestors between the steppic peoples. The ancestor's name is: Ancestor.

[Böri]

Ha ha ha.
Here up, you see the sort of 'Russian scientists' who bring up the Pashtun R1a Z93 hypothesis.
That's just wishes.

On the other hand, you have more and more genetic real evidence of Ukrainian orientalist Omeljan Pritsak who said:
Rus state started when the Viking-Slavic tribal mass welcomed a Khazar royal leader who lost the civil war in the kaghanate... And there around Novgorod was created the Rus kaghanate with Vikings and Slavs hailing a Turk as their heavenly kaghan. And that later became Kievan Rus and later Russia-Belarus-Ukraine.

Rurikid leadership was N y-dna and not IE R1...

[Nanushka]

Here up, you see the sort of 'Russian scientists' who bring up the Pashtun R1a Z93 hypothesis.

Rurikid leadership was N y-dna and not IE R1...

R1 is by no means Pashtun but yes, some 'Russian scientists' (esp in Soviet era) tried so hard to link it with IE

[Böri]

R1 is by no means Pashtun but yes, some 'Russian scientists' (esp in Soviet era) tried so hard to link it with IE

That's prestige of the Göktürk-khazarian elite. It's somewhat normal they try to find commonalities with themselves but pretending they are smth differen than what they were that is fun.