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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    can't see any R1a there. What happened?
    There is R1a-Z93. But it expanded with Indo-Iranians.

    Proto-Anatolians and Proto-Armenians were mostly R1b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    There is R1a-Z93. But it expanded with Indo-Iranians.

    Proto-Anatolians and Proto-Armenians were mostly R1b.
    I did not want you to tell me about Z93 ethnic affiliations, I know very well. I asked you why there is no R1a in Yamna IE?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    I asked you why there is no R1a in Yamna IE?
    Probably because only ~30% of Yamnaya territory has been sampled so far.

    There is also no R1b-L51 in Yamnaya but it will show up in the Pontic Steppe.

    All Yamnaya samples tested so far are from the Caspian Steppe, not Pontic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Probably because only ~30% of Yamnaya territory has been sampled so far.

    There is also no R1b-L51 in Yamnaya but it will show up in the Pontic Steppe.

    All Yamnaya samples tested so far are from the Caspian Steppe, not Pontic.
    Since Haak et al. 2016 I don't see any serious reason to justify the persistent old-fashioned theory of a dual IE origin of R1a and R1b individuals among Yamna men anymore. A theory solely based on forum talks, not more. R1a moved east, R1b moved west, 2 totally different cultures and ethnic makeup.


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    Anyone got PCA plots with chech samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    Since Haak et al. 2016 I don't see any serious reason to justify the persistent old-fashioned theory of a dual IE origin of R1a and R1b individuals among Yamna men anymore. R1a moved east, R1b moved west, 2 totally different cultures and ethnic makeup.
    Idk if there is any sense in responding you, but, below you have an
    area settled by IEs during Yamna period - and places where yamna
    samples were taken. As you can see, there is a much more palces
    where IEs lived at the time, than those probes.

    Blue - IE territory before corded expansion
    Green - corded mainly R1a expansion
    Red dots - checked yamna samples.

    IEs-yamna-cordeds.png


    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Probably because only ~30% of Yamnaya territory has been sampled so far.
    Nope. Three places.
    Last edited by Rethel; 04-21-2017 at 09:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Idk if there is any sense in responding you, but, below you have an
    area settled by IEs during Yamna period - and places where yamna
    samples were taken. As you can see, there is a much more palces
    where IEs lived at the time, than those probes.

    Blue - IE territory before corded expansion
    Green - corded mainly R1a expansion
    Red dots - checked yamna samples.

    IEs-yamna-cordeds.png
    Corded was Altaic for a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Nope. Three places.
    even if R1a will pop up some day, it would be of Kyrgyz line. TURKIC


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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    There is R1a-Z93. But it expanded with Indo-Iranians.

    Proto-Anatolians and Proto-Armenians were mostly R1b.
    So the R1b in Greece and Albania are from the Anatolians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    So the R1b in Greece and Albania are from the Anatolians?
    he wanted to say non-Indo-European Hattians with Turkic-Northeast-Caucasian affinities.


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