Japan says Shinto 'human deity, has Turkic Ashina origin

[Kamal900]

Actually the modern Japanese people have nothing to do with "Jomon" people, as I have never heard of them. Instead you might want to look into the Ainu people, which were an ausraloid race living in Japan, before Korean settlers colonized the island, bringing mongol DNA to the isolated island.
And as we know, mongols are related to turks, proving that Japanese people, must have at least some (rather big) connection to turkish people.

But the Ainu are not racially Austroloid but rather paleo-Mongoloids like most south-eastern Asiatics and the native Americans.

[StonyArabia]

But the Ainu are not racially Austroloid but rather paleo-Mongoloids like most south-eastern Asiatics and the native Americans.

Ainu are actually closer to Veddiods than to Amerindians

[Turul Karom]

Interesting thread, from all angles. Hopefully more comes about from this historical readings about religions and ancient migrations, mixing with science of today. We live in great times of study.

As far as the Japanese feelings, who am I to deny their kinship with Turkic peoples if they feel it in their history?

[Hudayar]

Well, modern Japanese people descended from Yamato people who migrated to Japan from mainland Asia. Before than that they're thought to have lived somewhere in Siberia around Turkics, Mongols and Tungus people. It's not surprising actually.

[Kamal900]

Interesting thread, from all angles. Hopefully more comes about from this historical readings about religions and ancient migrations, mixing with science of today. We live in great times of study.

As far as the Japanese feelings, who am I to deny their kinship with Turkic peoples if they feel it in their history?

...That is weird. I mean, what do Hungarians have anything in common with the Turks let alone with the Japanese? As far as I'm concerned, the Hungarians are genetically and culturally no different than their neighbors in central Europe.

[Babak]

The Ashina (Chinese: 阿史那; pinyin: Āshǐnà; Wade–Giles: A-shih-na; Middle Chinese: (Guangyun) [ʔɑʃi̯ə˥nɑ˩]), also known as Asen, Asena, or Açina, was a tribe, believed to be of Indo-European(Iranian) origin,[1] and the ruling dynasty of the ancient Turkic peoples. It rose to prominence in the mid-6th century when the leader, Bumin Qaghan, revolted against the Rouran Khaganate. The two main branches of the family, one descended from Bumin and the other from his brother Istämi, ruled over the eastern and western parts of the Göktürk confederation, respectively.

Researchers such as H.W. Haussig,[2] S.G. Kljyashtorny,[3][4] A.N. Bernstamm,[5] C. V. Findley,[6] B.A. Muratov,[7] R.R. Suyunov,[8] D.G. Savinov,[9] S.P. Guschin,[7] Rona-Tas[10] and R.N. Frye[11] have pointed out that the origin of the Ashina is from the Iranian Saka-Wusun. They have put forward this version of the following arguments:

Subclade of clan Ashina: R1a-Z93, Z94+, Z2123-, Y2632-.(Ashide: Q1a-L53)[12] In this research, six R-Z94 applicants, who identifies themselves as descendants of the Ashina clan and whose ancestors are known to be originated from Gaochang (高昌), are listed as the descendants of the Ashina, with four of them from China having a surname Shi(史) and two of them from Pashtun Afghanistan and Bulgaria.

Findley assumes that the name "Ashina" comes from one of the Saka languages of central Asia and means "blue" (gök in Turkic). The color is identified with the east, so that Göktürk, another name for the Turkic empire, meant the "Turks of the East".[6] This idea is seconded by the Hungarian researcher András Róna-Tas, who finds it plausible "that we are dealing with a royal family and clan of Saka origin".[10] "The term bori, used to identify the ruler's retinue as 'wolves', probably also derived from one of the Iranian languages", Carter Vaughin Findley has observed.[13]

H.W. Haussig[2] and S.G. Kljyashtorny[4] suggest an association between the name and the compound "kindred of Ashin" ahşaẽna - Old Persian, which can get quite satisfactory etymological development. This is so even in East Turkestan; then the desired form would be in the Sogdian 'xs' yn' k (-әhšēnē) "blue, dark"; Khotan-Saka (Brahmi) āşşeiņa (-āşşena) "blue", where a long -ā- emerged as development ahş-> āşş-; in Tocharian A āśna- "blue, dark" (from Khotan-Saka and Sogdian). The Saka etymology ashina (<āşşeiņa ~ āşşena) with the value "blue" (the color of the sky) is phonetically and semantically flawless. There is a textual support for this version in the ancient runic inscriptions of the Turks.[citation needed]

In the large Orkhon inscriptions, in the story of the first Kagan, people living in the newly created empire are named "kök türk" (translated as "Celestial Turks"). Without touching the numerous interpretations "kök" may have in this combination, note its perfect semantic match with the reconstructed value of the name "Ashina". An explicit semantic calque suggests knowledge of its original meaning and foreign origin, which is compatible with the multi-ethnic, multi-cultural nature of the First Turkic khanate, which entailed the loss, however, of the popularity of "national character", in the words of L. Bazin, as was the political and cultural environment of the Otyuken regime of the era of Bilge Kagan.

The name "Ashina" was recorded in Ancient Arab chronicles in the form, "Sha-ne".[14]

[Kamal900]

The Ashina (Chinese: 阿史那; pinyin: Āshǐnà; Wade–Giles: A-shih-na; Middle Chinese: (Guangyun) [ʔɑʃi̯ə˥nɑ˩]), also known as Asen, Asena, or Açina, was a tribe, believed to be of Indo-European(Iranian) origin,[1] and the ruling dynasty of the ancient Turkic peoples. It rose to prominence in the mid-6th century when the leader, Bumin Qaghan, revolted against the Rouran Khaganate. The two main branches of the family, one descended from Bumin and the other from his brother Istämi, ruled over the eastern and western parts of the Göktürk confederation, respectively.

Researchers such as H.W. Haussig,[2] S.G. Kljyashtorny,[3][4] A.N. Bernstamm,[5] C. V. Findley,[6] B.A. Muratov,[7] R.R. Suyunov,[8] D.G. Savinov,[9] S.P. Guschin,[7] Rona-Tas[10] and R.N. Frye[11] have pointed out that the origin of the Ashina is from the Iranian Saka-Wusun. They have put forward this version of the following arguments:

Subclade of clan Ashina: R1a-Z93, Z94+, Z2123-, Y2632-.(Ashide: Q1a-L53)[12] In this research, six R-Z94 applicants, who identifies themselves as descendants of the Ashina clan and whose ancestors are known to be originated from Gaochang (高昌), are listed as the descendants of the Ashina, with four of them from China having a surname Shi(史) and two of them from Pashtun Afghanistan and Bulgaria.

Findley assumes that the name "Ashina" comes from one of the Saka languages of central Asia and means "blue" (gök in Turkic). The color is identified with the east, so that Göktürk, another name for the Turkic empire, meant the "Turks of the East".[6] This idea is seconded by the Hungarian researcher András Róna-Tas, who finds it plausible "that we are dealing with a royal family and clan of Saka origin".[10] "The term bori, used to identify the ruler's retinue as 'wolves', probably also derived from one of the Iranian languages", Carter Vaughin Findley has observed.[13]

H.W. Haussig[2] and S.G. Kljyashtorny[4] suggest an association between the name and the compound "kindred of Ashin" ahşaẽna - Old Persian, which can get quite satisfactory etymological development. This is so even in East Turkestan; then the desired form would be in the Sogdian 'xs' yn' k (-әhšēnē) "blue, dark"; Khotan-Saka (Brahmi) āşşeiņa (-āşşena) "blue", where a long -ā- emerged as development ahş-> āşş-; in Tocharian A āśna- "blue, dark" (from Khotan-Saka and Sogdian). The Saka etymology ashina (<āşşeiņa ~ āşşena) with the value "blue" (the color of the sky) is phonetically and semantically flawless. There is a textual support for this version in the ancient runic inscriptions of the Turks.[citation needed]

In the large Orkhon inscriptions, in the story of the first Kagan, people living in the newly created empire are named "kök türk" (translated as "Celestial Turks"). Without touching the numerous interpretations "kök" may have in this combination, note its perfect semantic match with the reconstructed value of the name "Ashina". An explicit semantic calque suggests knowledge of its original meaning and foreign origin, which is compatible with the multi-ethnic, multi-cultural nature of the First Turkic khanate, which entailed the loss, however, of the popularity of "national character", in the words of L. Bazin, as was the political and cultural environment of the Otyuken regime of the era of Bilge Kagan.

The name "Ashina" was recorded in Ancient Arab chronicles in the form, "Sha-ne".[14]

Iranians should definitely sue the pan-Turanists for cultural appropriation, lol...Just saying.

[Turul Karom]

...That is weird. I mean, what do Hungarians have anything in common with the Turks let alone with the Japanese? As far as I'm concerned, the Hungarians are genetically and culturally no different than their neighbors in central Europe.

I was discussing the Japanese feelings, not that of the Hungarians. As far as your Hungarian - Turk commonality question, there is much to be said. I am going to assume you have read a few posts I have made before. For convenience, I will list things that are not disputed by academia (language family disputes, etc). I am happy you ask for the similarities, as there are many.

All of the names of our leaders were Turkic before we became Catholic. We followed Tengrism while on the steppes together. Our alphabet is directly derived from Old Turkic as a child system. We have many Turkic words that are as old as the language and our ancient lifestyle itself. We lived in yurts and fought on horseback with the same tactics. Our government structure was based directly on the Turkic model. We lived together in Central Asia for hundreds of years. Fellow Turkic peoples like the Avars, Cumans, Pechenegs, etc, settled in Hungary. We celebrate our common culture and brotherhood today, with Kurultaj. The Turul bird is used in many places still in Asia, and it has always been a symbol of the Hungarians; it is used in many ways in Hungary today as well, of course. The Avar councils use the Turul bird (ask Buusra, if you see her around; she does a lot of academic work about Avars and has many contacts with professors who say they are related to Hungarians). These are just a handful of similarities, of which I am more than happy to divulge the sources for.

As for your comment about genetics and culture, I believe we are in agreement. I have never stated that Hungarians (or other Turkic peoples in general) today are 100% Asian in any sense, or even close. We mostly cluster around our area in Central/Eastern Europe, with more from Balkans, Eastern Europe, or Germanic peoples depending on each Hungarian's genetic background influenced by the many population changes. As you may already know, this has been a consistent statement of mine in many threads, such as the "Turanid Race" thread, and even my own GEDmatch results thread. Many others across Turkic/Turan nations also feel this unity, very strongly. Today, many of us have varying cultural, religious, and genetic differences. However, it is not correct to say these feelings lead us to say we are identical. It is about a common culture, communion, and homeland of the past, rekindled in the present.

[Böri]

The Ashina (Chinese: 阿史那; pinyin: Āshǐnà; Wade–Giles: A-shih-na; Middle Chinese: (Guangyun) [ʔɑʃi̯ə˥nɑ˩]), also known as Asen, Asena, or Açina, was a tribe, believed to be of Indo-European(Iranian) origin,[1] and the ruling dynasty of the ancient Turkic peoples. It rose to prominence in the mid-6th century when the leader, Bumin Qaghan, revolted against the Rouran Khaganate. The two main branches of the family, one descended from Bumin and the other from his brother Istämi, ruled over the eastern and western parts of the Göktürk confederation, respectively.

LoL. Complete BS.
They saw a Turkic clan and just want to link it to IE's to feel better and appropriate it for themselves.

What we know about the Ashina is that they erected the Orkhon monuments, developped a new script and wrote in Turkic and said 'We are Turk, That's all what is known about them, the rest is wishful hypothesis.

We have more evidence if we were to suggest Sumerians were Turks.

[Babak]

LoL. Complete BS.
They saw a Turkic clan and just want to link it to IE's to feel better and appropriate it for themselves.

What we know about the Ashina is that they erected the Orkhon monuments, developped a new script and wrote in Turkic and said 'We are Turk, That's all what is known about them, the rest is wishful hypothesis.

We have more evidence if we were to suggest Sumerians were Turks.

The Ashina (Chinese: 阿史那; pinyin: Āshǐnà; Wade–Giles: A-shih-na; Middle Chinese: (Guangyun) [ʔɑʃi̯ə˥nɑ˩]), also known as Asen, Asena, or Açina, was a tribe, believed to be of Indo-European(Iranian) origin,[1] and the ruling dynasty of the ancient Turkic peoples. It rose to prominence in the mid-6th century when the leader, Bumin Qaghan, revolted against the Rouran Khaganate. The two main branches of the family, one descended from Bumin and the other from his brother Istämi, ruled over the eastern and western parts of the Göktürk confederation, respectively.