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    Both Saxo and Snorre say he is a real man and king, from somewhere in Eastern Europe.

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    Would be nice to see a source on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    Both Saxo and Snorre say he is a real man and king, from somewhere in Eastern Europe.
    Probably an old indoeuropean entity since he's depicted riding a horse. Horses were brought to Europe from the east with PIE ppl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Probably an old indoeuropean entity since he's depicted riding a horse. Horses were brought to Europe from the east with PIE ppl
    There's no Wotan in non-Germanic people to my knowledge, where as Thor is found everywhere, Indra, Hermes etc.

    Snorre writes he was from Troy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prologue_(Prose_Edda)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    Both Saxo and Snorre say he is a real man and king, from somewhere in Eastern Europe.
    This was merely a device to fit deities from "pagan" mythologies into the newly ascendant Christian cosmology.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    Both Saxo and Snorre say he is a real man and king, from somewhere in Eastern Europe.
    He was a real man from modern-day Azerbaijan, many years ago.
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    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" ~ Heb 11:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm O. View Post
    Would be nice to see a source on that.
    Thor Heyerdahl's Odin theory.

    According to Thor Heyerdahl the Norwegian mythology tells that the Scandinavian god Odin moved with his people to Norway from a land called Aser, in order to avoid Roman occupation. A 13th-century historian's description of Aser's (Aesir) origination matches that of Azerbaijan: east of the Caucasus mountains and the Black Sea.

    Heyerdahl and other scholar are convinced that people living in the area now known as Azerbaijan settled in Scandinavia around 100 AD. Roman troops arrived in Azerbaijan in 97 AD.

    Odin came from the land of the "Aser" (Aesir), and is, therefore, frequently referred to as "Asa-Odin" (Aser-Odin).
    Asgard or Ásegard is the realm of the Gods Aesir in Norse religion (Asatru) and Norse mythology. The exact meaning of "Asgard" is Land or the Land of Aser. Modern day Scandinavians migrated north from the east of the Caucasus, Aserbaijan (Azerbaijan/Caucasian Albania) in prehistoric times. According to Icelandic Sagas, written in the 13th century, the Norse God Odin migrated from the east of the Caucasus, from Aserbaijan in the first century AD.

    Heyerdahl concluded that Azerbaijan and not northern Europe was the center from which the Caucasian people spread so that Chinese archaeologists would find their 4000 years old remains buried in northwestern China. He based that conclusion on early Norwegian sagas written down by the Icelander, Snorre Sturlason, before his death in 1241, (Snorri, The Sagas of the Viking Kings of Norway. English translation: J. M. Stenersens Forlag, Oslo 1987).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Thor Heyerdahl's Odin theory.

    According to Thor Heyerdahl the Norwegian mythology tells that the Scandinavian god Odin moved with his people to Norway from a land called Aser, in order to avoid Roman occupation. A 13th-century historian's description of Aser's (Aesir) origination matches that of Azerbaijan: east of the Caucasus mountains and the Black Sea.

    Heyerdahl and other scholar are convinced that people living in the area now known as Azerbaijan settled in Scandinavia around 100 AD. Roman troops arrived in Azerbaijan in 97 AD.

    Odin came from the land of the "Aser" (Aesir), and is, therefore, frequently referred to as "Asa-Odin" (Aser-Odin).
    Asgard or Ásegard is the realm of the Gods Aesir in Norse religion (Asatru) and Norse mythology. The exact meaning of "Asgard" is Land or the Land of Aser. Modern day Scandinavians migrated north from the east of the Caucasus, Aserbaijan (Azerbaijan/Caucasian Albania) in prehistoric times. According to Icelandic Sagas, written in the 13th century, the Norse God Odin migrated from the east of the Caucasus, from Aserbaijan in the first century AD.

    Heyerdahl concluded that Azerbaijan and not northern Europe was the center from which the Caucasian people spread so that Chinese archaeologists would find their 4000 years old remains buried in northwestern China. He based that conclusion on early Norwegian sagas written down by the Icelander, Snorre Sturlason, before his death in 1241, (Snorri, The Sagas of the Viking Kings of Norway. English translation: J. M. Stenersens Forlag, Oslo 1987).
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia on Thor Heyerdahl
    "The Search for Odin" in Azerbaijan and Russia

    Heyerdahl made four visits to Azerbaijan in 1981,[39] 1994, 1999 and 2000.[40] Heyerdahl had long been fascinated with the rock carvings that date back to about 8th-7th millennia BCE at Gobustan (about 30 miles west of Baku). He was convinced that their artistic style closely resembles the carvings found in his native Norway. The ship designs, in particular, were regarded by Heyerdahl as similar and drawn with a simple sickle-shaped line, representing the base of the boat, with vertical lines on deck, illustrating crew or, perhaps, raised oars.

    Based on this and other published documentation, Heyerdahl proposed that Azerbaijan was the site of an ancient advanced civilization. He believed that natives migrated north through waterways to present-day Scandinavia using ingeniously constructed vessels made of skins that could be folded like cloth. When voyagers traveled upstream, they conveniently folded their skin boats and transported them via pack animals.

    On Heyerdahl's visit to Baku in 1999, he lectured at the Academy of Sciences about the history of ancient Nordic Kings. He spoke of a notation made by Snorri Sturluson, a 13th-century historian-mythographer in Ynglinga Saga, which relates that "Odin (a Scandinavian god who was one of the kings) came to the North with his people from a country called Aser."[41] (see also House of Ynglings and Mythological kings of Sweden). Heyerdahl accepted Snorri's story as literal truth, and believed that a chieftain led his people in a migration from the east, westward and northward through Saxony, to Fyn in Denmark, and eventually settling in Sweden. Heyerdahl claimed that the geographic location of the mythic Aser or Ćsir matched the region of contemporary Azerbaijan - "east of the Caucasus mountains and the Black Sea". "We are no longer talking about mythology," Heyerdahl said, "but of the realities of geography and history. Azerbaijanis should be proud of their ancient culture. It is just as rich and ancient as that of China and Mesopotamia."

    In September 2000, Heyerdahl returned to Baku for the fourth time and visited the archeological dig in the area of the church of Kish.[42]

    One of the last projects of his life, Jakten pĺ Odin, 'The Search for Odin', was a sudden revision of his Odin hypothesis, in furtherance of which he initiated 2001–2002 excavations in Azov, Russia, near the Sea of Azov at the northeast of the Black Sea.[43] He searched for the remains of a civilization to match the account of Odin in Snorri Sturlusson, quite a bit north of his original target of Azerbaijan on the Caspian Sea only two years earlier. This project generated harsh criticism and accusations of pseudo-science from historians, archaeologists and linguists in Norway, who accused Heyerdahl of selective use of sources, and a basic lack of scientific methodology in his work.[44][45]

    His central claims were based on similarities of names in Norse mythology and geographic names in the Black Sea region, e.g. Azov and Ćsir, Udi and Odin, Tyr and Turkey. Philologists and historians reject these parallels as mere coincidences, and also anachronisms, for instance the city of Azov did not have that name until over 1000 years after Heyerdahl claims the Ćsir dwelt there. The controversy surrounding the Search for Odin project was in many ways typical of the relationship between Heyerdahl and the academic community. His theories rarely won any scientific acceptance, whereas Heyerdahl himself rejected all scientific criticism and concentrated on publishing his theories in popular books aimed at the general public.[citation needed]

    As of 2012, Heyerdahl's Odin hypothesis has yet to be validated by any historian, archaeologist or linguist.
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