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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Maybe because Egypt was military stronger than it is today? Wasn't Israel occupation of Sinai illegal anyway.

    I like Israel, I just think the world lack of objectivity when it comes Arabs, mainly due to racism, which further fuels their rage.
    Well no, because they gave it back in 1980 (1979 iirc). Besides, if your neighbour is getting more powerful, who gives them strategic land lol

    Technically, occupation of land isn't illegal if you act in self-defence (again, iirc).

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    Indifferent. I wish my country would just stay out of this mess.

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    Dont really have an opinion at all Im kinda apolitical now

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Maybe because Egypt was military stronger than it is today? Wasn't Israel occupation of Sinai illegal anyway.
    1. Just like when Egyptian, Syrian, Jordan and Iraqi armies IN THE SAME TIME attacked Israel 3 times (1947, 1967, 1973) from 4 different directions, and they got beaten by Israel 3 times, and lets have in mind that in those attacks Arabs had BETTER WEAPONS and more men, yet they were beaten anyway, what chance do they have today against Israel? None. IMO Israel should have kept Sinai, I would even fucking attack Cairo after their attacks on Israel, because Israelis could have attack Cairo in 1967.

    2. Also let's not forget that in all those 3 attacks on Israel, EGYPTIAN POLITICIANS WERE SAYING ON TV IN PUBLIC; that they're not only going to destroy Israel but to drown EVERY JEW IN SEA, well..., it seems Arabs drown themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    I like Israel, I just think the world lack of objectivity when it comes Arabs, mainly due to racism, which further fuels their rage.
    1. If you didnt know, British named Palestinians as Palestinians, before British had Palestine as their colony Palestinians called themselves as simply; ARABS, and they were ethnically in fact TransJordanians.

    2. British named them as "Palestinians" because of ancient Philistines with whom Palestinians have nothing in common, nothing.

    3. Also let's not forget that American, French etc... travelers trough "Palestine"/Israel in 19th century (means before state of Israel) wrote that maybe 450 000 of people lived in what is today Israel.

    I repeat; 450 000 of people, and they also said that area was like a wasteland.

    4. When State of Israel was created, Israelis made a paradise of that country, with agroculture, technology etc..., to the point that even Arabs wants to work there today to earn some money.

    I dont hate Palestinians, but I dont fall on their bullshits about their "2000/3000 years old presence" there, "oh sure", they were from dinosaurus there.

    5. In fact they're ARABS, they never had name PALESTINIANS before British gave them that name in 19/20th century, OTTOMANS NEVER CALLED PALESTINIANS as palestinians, never, and "palestinians" never called them like that before British, and that's a fact people should know here before they judge state of Israel.
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    It's funny how important that is to the World. Israel and Palestine is just something they feed to Arabs in the West so they don't see their rights being lowered, just as they feed "terrorism" to Westerners so they don't pay attention to their rights.



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    Jews & Palestinians are closely related & share common ancestry.

    The argument is essentually over which time period each belongs to with Jews identifying with pre-Roman Judea/Israel & Palestinians with post-Roman Palestina.

    Since both peoples are related & agree they each love the same land. I think the whole conflict is stupid. Jews & Palestinians need to merge into one people again.

    That said since Judaism & Hebrew are native to the land & Arabic & Islam not then I'd rather see this as the national religion & language so this makes me a Zionist supporting Israel.
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    I support a state where Jews and Palestinians can live in peace either integrated if they could actually get along, or separate (i.e. two state solution) if necessary, with neither nation trying to annex or reclaim part of the other.

    As far as who is indigenous or not, Jewish culture and religion is more native to the land than is Arabic or Islam, however half-Italian Ashkenazim and Assyrian convert Iraqi Jews are not indigenous to the Levant.

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    Where is the third option "Neither"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    Jews & Palestinians are closely related & share common ancestry.

    The argument is essentually over which time period each belongs to with Jews identifying with pre-Roman Judea/Israel & Palestinians with post-Roman Palestina.

    Since both peoples are related & agree they each love the same land. I think the whole conflict is stupid. Jews & Palestinians need to merge into one people again.

    That said since Judaism & Hebrew are native to the land & Arabic & Islam not then I'd rather see this as the national religion & language so this makes me a Zionist supporting Israel.
    But fact remains that British named Palestinians as Palestinians, nobody called them that way before British, not even them themselves, we cannot overlook the fact that Palestinians are in fact Jordanians, isn't that a fact?

    What Palestinians, where, how, when? There are no such ppl except Jordanian Arabs.

    Don't get me wrong, I wish Palestinians and Israelis live in peace one day, but I am sick and tired of that propaganda that Palestinians are like god damn "native americans" to land of Israel when they're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    But fact remains that British named Palestinians as Palestinians, nobody called them that way before British, not even them themselves, we cannot overlook the fact that Palestinians are in fact Jordanians, isn't that a fact?

    What Palestinians, where, how, when? There are no such ppl except Jordanian Arabs.

    Don't get me wrong, I wish Palestinians and Israelis live in peace one day, but I am sick and tired of that propaganda that Palestinians are like god damn "native americans" to land of Israel when they're not.
    Even according to the Muslim religion, Jews deserve Israel. Especially when you consider that Arabs (which were Muslims) turned against other Muslims (Ottomans) and sided with Christians because those Christians promised them something (which they've been warned about in their sacred book). Arabs never learn and to them everyone is at fault but themselves.



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