Is democracy necessarily always better than dictatorship?

[Tooting Carmen]

After all, surely dictators such as Lee Kuan Yew, Kemal Ataturk and much more arguably even the Communist regimes of China and Cuba have done much more for their countries than many democrats have done. It must be argued that democracy is not necessarily always the best system for a given society, culture or time; particularly for the poor, a dictatorship that is not-so-corrupt and ensures that most if not all people have access to healthcare, education, housing, food etc. is preferable to a country where the government may be democratically elected, but where corruption is rampant and many people have little or no access to essential services and the poverty is severe. Can it seriously be argued that a peasant from Guatemala or Peru lives better than a peasant from Cuba just because he/she has the right to vote, even though chances are their poverty and life opportunities would be considerably worse? This is to say nothing about having to pay bribes to all and sundry and the rampant crime and insecurity in their countries. Likewise, the same question applies to 'democratic' Philippines and (before the military yet again took over) Thailand versus the quasi-one party state of Singapore. Is Turkey under the democratically-elected Islamic Party of Erdogan really a freer and more decent country than under the vigorously secular dictatorship of Ataturk? Most crucially of all, is it really better to be poor in India than in China, just because in the former you have the right to vote? Very dubious, to say the least.

[Shah-Jehan]

In terms of economic/societal terms, dictatorship can be better than democracy in the way that rule of iron-fist avoids the chaos and creates for a more fluid society, but a lot of personal freedoms available will be heavily restricted in a dictatorship, e.g. in India you can freely talk against the state, even you're allowed to espouse separatist ideals, while in China you'd be jailed for the same reasons.

[wvwvw]

After all, surely dictators such as Lee Kuan Yew, Kemal Ataturk and much more arguably even the Communist regimes of China and Cuba have done much more for their countries than many democrats have done.

Ataturk exterminated many millions of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrian Christians in a savage bloodthirsty land grab. He was worse than Hitler. He used Islam to incite the Turks to massacre Christians. Even Turkeys own courts found the speeches that he used were racist when they jailed Erdogan for repeating them and inciting racial hatred.

[wvwvw]

Is Turkey under the democratically-elected Islamic Party of Erdogan really a freer and more decent country than under the vigorously secular dictatorship of Ataturk?

The Turkish mentality is one of Islam and Kemalism which are one and the same ideology of racial supremacy and genocide and thus the same as NAZIism. The Greeks opposed the NAZI's, while the Turks fought with them.

[samweiz]

Ataturk exterminated many millions of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrian Christians in a savage bloodthirsty land grab. He was worse than Hitler. He used Islam to incite the Turks to massacre Christians. Even Turkeys own courts found the speeches that he used were racist when they jailed Erdogan for repeating them and inciting racial hatred.

Do you think this should be required learning in all grade schools, as well as to have guest speakers come talk to the classroom, like they do with the Holocaust?

[alnortedelsur]

Absolutely NOT. At least in the case of Venezuela, the Dictatorial government of Marcos Perez Jimenez was far much better and more effective than the corrupt banana-like shitty democracy that came after he was overthrown:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ez-(1948-1958)

And furthermore, there were far more human right violations under that "democracy" (thousands of missing people: at least 3000, if not more) than in the Perez Jimenez dictatorship itself.

And I am not talking about Chavez/Maduro but about the corrupt banana-like "democratic" governments that preceded them, and are the main responsible of the rise of Chavism.

[wvwvw]

Do you think this should be required learning in all grade schools, as well as to have guest speakers come talk to the classroom, like they do with the Holocaust?

The Turks have never been held accountable for their crimes against humanity, nor apologised for them, that is why they repeat these crimes with impunity.
See invasion of Cyprus, the Smyrma Pogroms, Kurds, Armenia, Syria.

Unlike Germany, Turkey still refuse to acknowledge or repent for its crimes against humanity.

They should be punished for their crimes like the NAZI's were, seek forgiveness and educate its people that what it did was WRONG so that it can never happen again. The Turkish education system is like worshiping Adolf Hitler and justifying his crimes against humanity. As long as you believe that the genocidal butcher Ataturk was a hero the Turks will never be friends with anyone.

[Tooting Carmen]

Absolutely NOT. At least in the case of Venezuela, the Dictatorial government of Marcos Perez Jimenez was far much better than the corrupt banana-like shitty democracy that came after he was overthrown:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ez-(1948-1958)

And furthermore, there were far more human right violations under that "democracy" (thousands of missing people: at least 3000, if not more) than in the Perez Jimenez dictatorship itself.

And I am not talking about Chavez/Maduro but about the corrupt banana-like democracy that preceded them, and are the main responsible of the rise of Chavism.

Which proves my point - I don't think democracy is necessarily the best system for every society, culture and time. Surely the main criteria for judging how good a government is are (a) the level of peace and security in the country and (b) the extent to which people have access to essential services and goods.

[DarkSecret]

The Turkish mentality is one of Islam and Kemalism which are one and the same ideology of racial supremacy and genocide and thus the same as NAZIism. The Greeks opposed the NAZI's, while the Turks fought with them.

Fought with Nazis? Greeks opposed? Lol. Where do you live, in an alternate universe?

[Al-Meksiki]

Autoritarian Dictatorship is by far superior. The common man has no place in government. You wouldn't let any schmuck on the street do surgury on you, so why let him decide the courses of government. A dictator need not necessarily keep the people under their rule in a freedomless state, people should voice their opinions to leaders, but not actually get a descision making say.