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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    Is there a Berber sample to compare with the Sardinian sample?

    (You know, to shut up mouthy e-arseholes from Provence... )
    Here is a Berber sample.


    Mozabite:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    Is there a Berber sample to compare with the Sardinian sample?

    (You know, to shut up mouthy e-arseholes from Provence... )
    Berbers can vary a lot, right? I'd love to see how europoid-looking berbers "score" on these, notably the Riffians. I suppose they are closer to the original north african peoples than, say, the more negroid looking north africans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    Here is a Berber sample.
    Mozabite:
    Ah sorry, yes, I just noticed the Mozabite on the first post. I mixed it up with Biblical Moabite, but now I see that it's northern inland Algerians;
    The Mozabite people are a Berber ethnic group living in M'zab in the northern Sahara. They speak Tumzabt. Most of them are Ibadi Muslims. Nearly all of them read and write Arabic, though they use the Zenata dialect of the Berber language, for which they have no surviving written form.

    Mozabites live in five oases, namely, Ghardaia, Beni-Isguen, El-Ateuf, Melika and Bounoura and two other isolated oases farther north, Berriane and Guerrara.

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    nr. 20 and 26 seem to have very recent negroid admixture too.


    There are two indviduals with obvious gypsy ancestry in the Romanian sample:

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    A couple of more samples


    White Utahns


    Tuscan


    Chuvash


    Turks


    Georgians


    Egyptians


    Pathan


    Burusho


    Uyghur


    Chinese

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    Curiosity compelled me to ask
    With regards to the British sample; I had noticed levels of S.W Asian, East Asian etc, across various Euro Samples, it does not seem strange. What is strange is the lack of N.W African in conjunction with East African in samples which are population wise similar to the British. If these components (especially when combined as with this individual) are ancient within the population, then I will expect to see this particular component breakdown frequently repeated in future sampling. Maybe this could be down to the make up of a particular area of Britain, though I cannot help but doubt this view, owing to the massive internal migration of people within Britain since the Industrial Revolution. I suppose my curiosity will not be abated until I have witnessed more samples.
    I mentioned the Irish sample for two reasons. Though the individual’s S.Asian component is relatively low, when it is compared to the other Irish participants, it visually seems to be higher by more than a few multiples. My second reason comes from experience; in the British Y-Dna project, there is an individual who is H1a positive, owing to my small knowledge I also found this curious. In that particular case I was right to be, as the individual turned out to be a Self reported Gypsy, who is running is own project with regard to the spread of that Haplogroup amongst the Gypsy population of Europe.
    As the Gypsy population in the British Isles is HIGHLY admixed already, an individual of ‘part Gypsy ancestry’ would not need to have a large S. Asian component, the like of which is evidenced in the more homogenous ‘Romanian Gypsy population’.
    Again, I had to ask because I am curious; such a disposition, whether warranted or not, helps one to learn, especially when one turns out to be wrong.

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    Saudis


    Adygei


    Lezgin


    Ashkenazi Jews


    Sephardic Jews


    Jordanians


    Sindhi


    Yakut


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    Yoruba

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    Wow, the Chuvash, Chinese and Yoruba samples are interesting, the latter two appear to be very "pure" and lacking many mixes and the Chuvash appear to have a large North Asian input - Mongols or Ugrians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasconcelos View Post
    Berbers can vary a lot, right? I'd love to see how europoid-looking berbers "score" on these, notably the Riffians. I suppose they are closer to the original north african peoples than, say, the more negroid looking north africans.
    Yes Berbers varery a lot. The Riffians and Kabyles would score probably similar to the Mozabite but their Southern European component will be much higher, due to the history of the region with minor SSA lineages probably. However you probably also find that the majority of them having 100% NorthWest African component, like many of the Mozabites. The Mozabites also look Europid but not European, unlike some of the Riffians and Kabyles who at times look European Europids, though they are exaggerated most often. Probably due to assimilation of Muslim Moriscos.

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