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    So it seems like J2b2 was found in proto-Illyrian culture . No I2a1b(Din) was found which basically confirms that it isn't native there but in fact a Slavic arrival, nearly all I2a in the Balkans was I2a2. All the Bosniaks are crying right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Is there any I2a-Din or R1a in pre-Medieval Balkan samples?
    There wasn't any I2a-Din found but there was R1a which probably was part of the older Indo-European cluster
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa Nazione View Post
    It's I2-M223 in Mesolithic Balkan, far away from Dinaric subclade.
    Can not wait to see Bosniak reaction
    I2-M223 is part of the Pre-Celtic/Germanic cluster if I am not mistaken. Yh same I can't wait to see their reactions
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    im seeing many r1a's and i2's in the Balkans, seems like we have to rethink the impact of the Slavic migrations
    There are different subclades

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    im seeing many r1a's and i2's in the Balkans, seems like we have to rethink the impact of the Slavic migrations
    Subclades... Those are what matter.

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    There was a shit-tonne of G2a though which doesn't really surprise me
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    There was a shit-tonne of G2a though which doesn't really surprise me
    Yes, G2a was high in parts of Europe for awhile back then, but others invaded and attacked them from all directions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa Nazione View Post
    There is one R1a in Bronze age Bulgaria I think.
    But this is R1a1a1b2, which is R1a-Z93, Indo-Iranian marker (not Balto-Slavic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    But this is R1a1a1b2, which is R1a-Z93, Indo-Iranian marker (not Balto-Slavic).
    I haven't checked subclade
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    But this is R1a1a1b2, which is R1a-Z93, Indo-Iranian marker (not Balto-Slavic).
    Scythian? Then I am not surprised. I don't see many modern Euros carrying this marker anyhow, except maybe Tatars?

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