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Thread: Eurogenes' "West Sicily" sample is unrepresentative of western Sicily: should be replaced/removed!

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    Default Eurogenes' "West Sicily" sample is unrepresentative of western Sicily: should be replaced/removed!

    "West Sicily" on Eurogenes is a sample from Trapani, which is highly northward shifting compared to the East Sicily or South Italy samples. However, I am going to demonstrate that the average western Sicilian, from Palermo, Agrigento, or Caltanissetta, is not represented by this sample and instead scores East Sicily or South Italy (Calabria) first.

    I think this sample should be replaced, renamed, or removed, because it falsely implies that the west of the island scores like it, when most of them do not.

    Out of 30 people randomly chosen, West Sicily comes first (or before East Sicily/South Italy) for THREE out of THIRTY people. This is not representative. Many of them even score North African Jews first.

    These are all verified from Palermo:

    #1:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 3.2
    2 South_Italian 3.51
    3 Central_Greek 4.53
    4 Italian_Abruzzo 5.12
    5 West_Sicilian 5.32
    6 Ashkenazi 6.69
    7 Italian_Jewish 7.29
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.68
    9 Algerian_Jewish 8.88
    10 Greek 9.32
    11 Tuscan 10.1
    12 Greek_Thessaly 10.29
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 11.96
    14 Libyan_Jewish 14.43
    15 Cyprian 15.13
    16 North_Italian 16.65
    17 Bulgarian 16.69
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.18
    19 Romanian 18.8
    20 Syrian 18.89

    #2:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 4.17
    2 South_Italian 4.59
    3 Central_Greek 5.08
    4 West_Sicilian 6.27
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.94
    6 Ashkenazi 6.94
    7 Italian_Jewish 7.83
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.09
    9 Algerian_Jewish 8.63
    10 Greek 8.63
    11 Greek_Thessaly 10.79
    12 Tuscan 11.29
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.01
    14 Libyan_Jewish 14.49
    15 Cyprian 14.52
    16 Bulgarian 16.8
    17 North_Italian 17.55
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.2
    19 Turkish 18.81
    20 Syrian 18.91


    #3:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 3.4
    2 South_Italian 4.2
    3 Central_Greek 5.08
    4 West_Sicilian 5.14
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 5.97
    6 Ashkenazi 6.22
    7 Italian_Jewish 6.77
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.06
    9 Algerian_Jewish 8.33
    10 Greek 9.45
    11 Greek_Thessaly 9.46
    12 Tuscan 9.77
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 11.99
    14 Libyan_Jewish 13.44
    15 Cyprian 15.61
    16 North_Italian 16.25
    17 Bulgarian 16.63
    18 Romanian 18.62
    19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.84
    20 Syrian 19.33


    #4:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.91
    2 Central_Greek 5.48
    3 East_Sicilian 5.9
    4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.63
    5 West_Sicilian 8.19
    6 Ashkenazi 9.05
    7 Italian_Jewish 9.51
    8 Greek 9.63
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 9.91
    10 Algerian_Jewish 10.34
    11 Greek_Thessaly 11.48
    12 Tuscan 12.02
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.99
    14 Cyprian 14.62
    15 Libyan_Jewish 16.21
    16 Bulgarian 17.75
    17 North_Italian 18.07
    18 Turkish 18.18
    19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.78
    20 Syrian 19.84


    #5:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 5.68
    2 South_Italian 6.08
    3 Italian_Jewish 6.89
    4 Central_Greek 7.01
    5 Ashkenazi 7.92
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.49
    7 West_Sicilian 9.06
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 9.17
    9 Algerian_Jewish 9.32
    10 Greek_Thessaly 11.56
    11 Libyan_Jewish 11.78
    12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.41
    13 Tuscan 12.43
    14 Greek 13.25
    15 Cyprian 14.75
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.77
    17 Syrian 18.09
    18 North_Italian 18.63
    19 Turkish 19.88
    20 Bulgarian 19.9


    #6:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.4
    2 East_Sicilian 4.53
    3 Italian_Jewish 4.84
    4 Central_Greek 5.96
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.52
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.76
    7 West_Sicilian 6.78
    8 Ashkenazi 6.88
    9 Algerian_Jewish 7.45
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.49
    11 Libyan_Jewish 11.58
    12 Greek_Thessaly 11.83
    13 Tuscan 11.85
    14 Greek 12.11
    15 Cyprian 13.66
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 16.58
    17 Syrian 17.22
    18 North_Italian 18.37
    19 Turkish 18.87
    20 Bulgarian 19.3


    #7:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 3.31
    2 East_Sicilian 4.75
    3 Central_Greek 5.25
    4 Italian_Jewish 6.72
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 7.09
    6 Ashkenazi 7.29
    7 Algerian_Jewish 7.38
    8 West_Sicilian 8.48
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 8.6
    10 Greek 10.25
    11 Tunisian_Jewish 10.48
    12 Greek_Thessaly 11.61
    13 Cyprian 11.62
    14 Libyan_Jewish 12.7
    15 Tuscan 13.72
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.69
    17 Syrian 16.61
    18 Turkish 17.64
    19 Bulgarian 18.47
    20 Samaritan 18.56


    #8: THIS IS THE ONLY ONE OF 10 RANDOMLY CHOSEN PEOPLE IT FITS.
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Sicilian 6.31
    2 Italian_Abruzzo 8.51
    3 South_Italian 8.7
    4 East_Sicilian 8.84
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 9.98
    6 Central_Greek 10
    7 Tuscan 10.36
    8 Italian_Jewish 10.44
    9 Algerian_Jewish 10.68
    10 Ashkenazi 11.68
    11 Greek 12.38
    12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.17
    13 Greek_Thessaly 14.84
    14 North_Italian 15.69
    15 Libyan_Jewish 17.61
    16 Cyprian 18.41
    17 Bulgarian 19.54
    18 Spanish_Andalucia 20.31
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 21.07
    20 Tunisian 21.1


    #9:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 5.23
    2 Central_Greek 6.42
    3 South_Italian 7.03
    4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.33
    5 West_Sicilian 7.74
    6 Ashkenazi 7.95
    7 Greek_Thessaly 8.61
    8 Tuscan 9.01
    9 Italian_Jewish 10.26
    10 Greek 10.29
    11 Algerian_Jewish 11.71
    12 Sephardic_Jewish 11.99
    13 North_Italian 14.81
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 15.68
    15 Libyan_Jewish 15.73
    16 Bulgarian 16.35
    17 Romanian 18.05
    18 Cyprian 18.33
    19 Serbian 20.99
    20 Spanish_Extremadura 21.31

    #10:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Central_Greek 6.2
    2 East_Sicilian 6.48
    3 South_Italian 7.04
    4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.1
    5 Ashkenazi 8.35
    6 West_Sicilian 10.32
    7 Italian_Jewish 10.75
    8 Greek_Thessaly 10.85
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.57
    10 Greek 11.93
    11 Algerian_Jewish 13.04
    12 Tuscan 13.12
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.85
    14 Libyan_Jewish 15.68
    15 Cyprian 15.68
    16 Turkish 16.1
    17 Lebanese_Muslim 17.18
    18 Bulgarian 17.39
    19 Syrian 18.29
    20 Romanian 18.89


    Now from Agrigento: Some of them are closer to ALGERIAN JEWS than to "West Sicily."

    #1:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Jewish 4.92
    2 South_Italian 5.15
    3 East_Sicilian 5.19
    4 Ashkenazi 6.01
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.17
    6 Central_Greek 6.22
    7 Algerian_Jewish 6.62
    8 West_Sicilian 7.74
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 8.02
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.7
    11 Libyan_Jewish 10.64
    12 Greek 11.79
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12
    14 Cyprian 12.16
    15 Tuscan 13.44
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.21
    17 Syrian 15.88
    18 Turkish 17.94
    19 Samaritan 18.1
    20 Jordanian 18.24


    #2:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 6.09
    2 Italian_Jewish 6.33
    3 Algerian_Jewish 7.11
    4 East_Sicilian 7.62
    5 Central_Greek 7.75
    6 West_Sicilian 8.18
    7 Sephardic_Jewish 8.29
    8 Ashkenazi 8.99
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.51
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.71
    11 Greek 12.19
    12 Libyan_Jewish 12.35
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12.58
    14 Cyprian 13.25
    15 Tuscan 13.58
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.49
    17 Syrian 18.49
    18 Samaritan 19.58
    19 North_Italian 19.6
    20 Turkish 20.1


    #3:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Jewish 8.08
    2 South_Italian 8.35
    3 East_Sicilian 8.42
    4 Italian_Abruzzo 9.1
    5 Central_Greek 9.13
    6 Ashkenazi 9.64
    7 West_Sicilian 9.65
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 10.31
    9 Algerian_Jewish 10.69
    10 Libyan_Jewish 12.59
    11 Greek_Thessaly 13.16
    12 Tunisian_Jewish 13.26
    13 Tuscan 13.27
    14 Greek 14.73
    15 Cyprian 15.95
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 18.23
    17 Syrian 18.98
    18 North_Italian 19.12
    19 Turkish 20.43
    20 Bulgarian 20.8


    #4:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 6.19
    2 Italian_Jewish 6.67
    3 Algerian_Jewish 7.26
    4 West_Sicilian 7.73
    5 East_Sicilian 8.11
    6 Central_Greek 8.78
    7 Sephardic_Jewish 8.96
    8 Italian_Abruzzo 9.94
    9 Ashkenazi 10.56
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 12.12
    11 Tuscan 12.56
    12 Greek 12.66
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12.86
    14 Libyan_Jewish 12.94
    15 Cyprian 15.05
    16 North_Italian 18.36
    17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.54
    18 Syrian 20.43
    19 Bulgarian 20.5
    20 Samaritan 20.84


    #5:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 5.83
    2 East_Sicilian 6.67
    3 West_Sicilian 7.06
    4 Central_Greek 7.43
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.97
    6 Sephardic_Jewish 8.3
    7 Italian_Jewish 9.22
    8 Algerian_Jewish 9.51
    9 Ashkenazi 9.7
    10 Greek 9.95
    11 Tunisian_Jewish 12.01
    12 Tuscan 12.27
    13 Greek_Thessaly 13.23
    14 Cyprian 15.03
    15 Libyan_Jewish 16.08
    16 Bulgarian 17.94
    17 North_Italian 18.29
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.48
    19 Turkish 19.06
    20 Syrian 19.52


    #6:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.4
    2 East_Sicilian 4.46
    3 Central_Greek 6.13
    4 Italian_Jewish 6.38
    5 West_Sicilian 6.73
    6 Ashkenazi 7.14
    7 Algerian_Jewish 7.49
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.88
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 7.96
    10 Greek 10.15
    11 Greek_Thessaly 10.56
    12 Tunisian_Jewish 10.76
    13 Tuscan 11.8
    14 Libyan_Jewish 12.16
    15 Cyprian 14.48
    16 Bulgarian 17.61
    17 Lebanese_Muslim 17.84
    18 North_Italian 18.09
    19 Syrian 18.45
    20 Romanian 19.83


    #7:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Jewish 4.79
    2 South_Italian 5.2
    3 East_Sicilian 5.34
    4 Algerian_Jewish 6.34
    5 Central_Greek 6.83
    6 Ashkenazi 6.93
    7 Sephardic_Jewish 7.05
    8 West_Sicilian 8.17
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.33
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.99
    11 Libyan_Jewish 10.28
    12 Greek_Thessaly 11.26
    13 Greek 11.63
    14 Tuscan 13.08
    15 Cyprian 13.14
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.03
    17 Syrian 17.36
    18 Samaritan 18.39
    19 Bulgarian 19.18
    20 Jordanian 19.34


    #8:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 7.29
    2 Central_Greek 7.61
    3 South_Italian 7.87
    4 Ashkenazi 8.33
    5 Greek 9.36
    6 West_Sicilian 9.68
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 9.78
    8 Greek_Thessaly 10.58
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.11
    10 Italian_Jewish 11.41
    11 Algerian_Jewish 11.65
    12 Tuscan 12.93
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.97
    14 Cyprian 16.17
    15 Bulgarian 16.46
    16 Libyan_Jewish 16.92
    17 North_Italian 18.55
    18 Turkish 18.71
    19 Romanian 18.91
    20 Lebanese_Muslim 19.41


    #9:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Jewish 5.24
    2 East_Sicilian 5.54
    3 South_Italian 5.71
    4 Ashkenazi 6.45
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 6.56
    6 Central_Greek 6.61
    7 Algerian_Jewish 7.36
    8 West_Sicilian 7.91
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 7.92
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.1
    11 Libyan_Jewish 10.89
    12 Greek 12.41
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12.46
    14 Cyprian 12.67
    15 Tuscan 13.35
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.46
    17 Syrian 16.09
    18 Turkish 17.71
    19 Samaritan 18.54
    20 Jordanian 18.57


    #10:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 6.09
    2 Italian_Jewish 6.33
    3 Algerian_Jewish 7.11
    4 East_Sicilian 7.62
    5 Central_Greek 7.75
    6 West_Sicilian 8.18
    7 Sephardic_Jewish 8.29
    8 Ashkenazi 8.99
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.51
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.71
    11 Greek 12.19
    12 Libyan_Jewish 12.35
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12.58
    14 Cyprian 13.25
    15 Tuscan 13.58
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.49
    17 Syrian 18.49
    18 Samaritan 19.58
    19 North_Italian 19.6
    20 Turkish 20.1



    Now Caltanissetta:

    #1:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 5.28
    2 Central_Greek 6.26
    3 West_Sicilian 6.83
    4 Ashkenazi 6.86
    5 South_Italian 6.94
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 7.31
    7 Italian_Jewish 8.51
    8 Greek_Thessaly 8.92
    9 Tuscan 9.26
    10 Algerian_Jewish 10.16
    11 Greek 10.34
    12 Sephardic_Jewish 10.43
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.52
    14 Libyan_Jewish 14.54
    15 North_Italian 15.28
    16 Bulgarian 16.91
    17 Cyprian 17.29
    18 Romanian 18.59
    19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.83
    20 Syrian 20.91


    #2:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 3.44
    2 South_Italian 4.9
    3 Central_Greek 5.57
    4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.21
    5 Ashkenazi 6.76
    6 West_Sicilian 6.89
    7 Italian_Jewish 7.17
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.49
    9 Algerian_Jewish 9.45
    10 Tuscan 10.58
    11 Greek_Thessaly 10.63
    12 Greek 11.25
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.15
    14 Libyan_Jewish 13.11
    15 Cyprian 15.51
    16 North_Italian 17
    17 Bulgarian 17.92
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.16
    19 Syrian 18.54
    20 Turkish 19.2


    #3:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 6
    2 Sephardic_Jewish 6.28
    3 Italian_Jewish 6.84
    4 Algerian_Jewish 7.25
    5 East_Sicilian 7.33
    6 Central_Greek 7.36
    7 Ashkenazi 8.13
    8 West_Sicilian 8.44
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.27
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.5
    11 Greek 10.78
    12 Cyprian 11.42
    13 Libyan_Jewish 12.97
    14 Greek_Thessaly 13.26
    15 Tuscan 14.89
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 14.94
    17 Syrian 16.37
    18 Turkish 17.8
    19 Samaritan 17.89
    20 Jordanian 18.63


    #4:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 5.83
    2 East_Sicilian 6.67
    3 West_Sicilian 7.06
    4 Central_Greek 7.43
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.97
    6 Sephardic_Jewish 8.3
    7 Italian_Jewish 9.22
    8 Algerian_Jewish 9.51
    9 Ashkenazi 9.7
    10 Greek 9.95
    11 Tunisian_Jewish 12.01
    12 Tuscan 12.27
    13 Greek_Thessaly 13.23
    14 Cyprian 15.03
    15 Libyan_Jewish 16.08
    16 Bulgarian 17.94
    17 North_Italian 18.29
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.48
    19 Turkish 19.06
    20 Syrian 19.52


    #5: This one fits.
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Sicilian 4.98
    2 East_Sicilian 5.96
    3 Italian_Abruzzo 5.98
    4 South_Italian 6.19
    5 Italian_Jewish 6.96
    6 Central_Greek 7.46
    7 Sephardic_Jewish 8.21
    8 Ashkenazi 8.69
    9 Algerian_Jewish 9.2
    10 Tuscan 9.46
    11 Greek 12.12
    12 Greek_Thessaly 12.17
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.33
    14 Libyan_Jewish 14.06
    15 North_Italian 15.73
    16 Cyprian 16.81
    17 Bulgarian 18.81
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 19.61
    19 Syrian 20.21
    20 Romanian 20.38


    #6:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 4.46
    2 Central_Greek 4.82
    3 South_Italian 6.01
    4 Ashkenazi 6.31
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.8
    6 Greek_Thessaly 8.61
    7 Italian_Jewish 9.03
    8 West_Sicilian 9.35
    9 Greek 10.51
    10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.79
    11 Algerian_Jewish 11.08
    12 Tuscan 11.88
    13 Libyan_Jewish 13.94
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.26
    15 Cyprian 15.34
    16 Bulgarian 16.94
    17 North_Italian 18.03
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.45
    19 Romanian 18.74
    20 Syrian 18.83


    #7:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 4.09
    2 South_Italian 4.53
    3 Central_Greek 5.55
    4 Ashkenazi 6.36
    5 Italian_Jewish 6.89
    6 Sephardic_Jewish 7.23
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 7.3
    8 West_Sicilian 8.36
    9 Algerian_Jewish 8.96
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.39
    11 Greek 11.26
    12 Greek_Thessaly 11.42
    13 Libyan_Jewish 12.23
    14 Cyprian 13.07
    15 Tuscan 13.13
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.23
    17 Syrian 15.98
    18 Turkish 17.03
    19 Bulgarian 18.11
    20 Jordanian 18.74


    #8: This one works, too.
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Sicilian 5.71
    2 Italian_Abruzzo 7.37
    3 South_Italian 7.39
    4 East_Sicilian 7.7
    5 Italian_Jewish 7.88
    6 Sephardic_Jewish 8.68
    7 Central_Greek 9.06
    8 Algerian_Jewish 9.36
    9 Tuscan 9.9
    10 Ashkenazi 10.52
    11 Tunisian_Jewish 12.97
    12 Greek 13.45
    13 Greek_Thessaly 13.99
    14 Libyan_Jewish 15.08
    15 North_Italian 15.79
    16 Cyprian 17.4
    17 Bulgarian 20.35
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 20.56
    19 Syrian 21.1
    20 Spanish_Extremadura 21.26

    #9:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 5.55
    2 West_Sicilian 5.67
    3 South_Italian 6.04
    4 Central_Greek 6.13
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.82
    6 Greek 7.11
    7 Ashkenazi 8.24
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 9.98
    9 Italian_Jewish 10.12
    10 Tuscan 10.13
    11 Algerian_Jewish 10.33
    12 Greek_Thessaly 10.44
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.9
    14 Bulgarian 15.17
    15 North_Italian 16.03
    16 Cyprian 16.77
    17 Libyan_Jewish 16.88
    18 Romanian 17.8
    19 Turkish 19.99
    20 Lebanese_Muslim 20.25


    #10:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.79
    2 East_Sicilian 6.7
    3 Italian_Jewish 6.98
    4 Central_Greek 7.37
    5 Algerian_Jewish 7.98
    6 Sephardic_Jewish 8.7
    7 West_Sicilian 9.41
    8 Ashkenazi 9.92
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.93
    10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.87
    11 Greek 12.61
    12 Libyan_Jewish 12.83
    13 Greek_Thessaly 12.94
    14 Cyprian 13.07
    15 Tuscan 13.62
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.87
    17 Syrian 18.7
    18 North_Italian 19.73
    19 Samaritan 19.73
    20 Turkish 20.08

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    i dont accord too much importance to these tests. every single one gives me different results. but anyway caltanissetta is too basal eurasian-mena compared to the rest of western sicily

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    i dont accord too much importance to these tests. every single one gives me different results. but anyway caltanissetta is too basal eurasian-mena compared to the rest of western sicily
    Agrigento is the most MENA part of western Sicily (if not the whole island). They are just like Maltese. Palermo and Caltanissetta seem roughly similar to one another, I think.

    I just think using Trapani to represent the west is not accurate: that sample plots north of Abruzzo even. Seriously, run a Greek islander through it. They get East Sicily first usually, then South Italy, Central Greece, Abruzzo, etc.

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    how do you know the sample is from trapani

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    how do you know the sample is from trapani
    I know the study it is from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    how do you know the sample is from trapani
    Now here are a bunch of people from Trapani. See how they score for comparison -- not all of them but many are indeed northern shifted. Palermo/Agrigento/Caltanissetta have strong MENA input, hence why a lot of them are close to North African Jews. But the Trapanese even if north shifted for Sicily are still southeast of mainland Greeks, Albanians, Central Italy, etc. overall.

    The only other northern shifted area in Sicily is some people from the southeast due to (recent?) mainland Greek input.

    But even here, only 7 of the 15 random people I chose, score West Sicily or something more north than that. "West Sicily" does not even perfectly capture Trapani!

    #1:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Sicilian 4.63
    2 Italian_Jewish 7.77
    3 South_Italian 8.28
    4 Algerian_Jewish 8.44
    5 East_Sicilian 8.5
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.65
    7 Sephardic_Jewish 9.22
    8 Central_Greek 9.59
    9 Tuscan 9.98
    10 Ashkenazi 10.39
    11 Greek 11.99
    12 Tunisian_Jewish 13.01
    13 Greek_Thessaly 13.31
    14 Libyan_Jewish 14.77
    15 North_Italian 15.44
    16 Cyprian 17.78
    17 Bulgarian 19.38
    18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.2
    19 Romanian 21.22
    20 Spanish_Andalucia 21.25


    #2:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 4.88
    2 West_Sicilian 5.29
    3 East_Sicilian 5.5
    4 Central_Greek 6.58
    5 Italian_Jewish 6.89
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.94
    7 Ashkenazi 8.35
    8 Algerian_Jewish 8.44
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 8.54
    10 Greek 10.21
    11 Tuscan 10.21
    12 Greek_Thessaly 10.68
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.09
    14 Libyan_Jewish 13.69
    15 Cyprian 15.94
    16 North_Italian 16.42
    17 Bulgarian 17.59
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 19.44
    19 Romanian 19.61
    20 Syrian 20.3


    #3:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Sicilian 3.05
    2 East_Sicilian 4.07
    3 Italian_Abruzzo 4.12
    4 South_Italian 5.11
    5 Central_Greek 5.42
    6 Ashkenazi 7.2
    7 Tuscan 7.92
    8 Italian_Jewish 7.98
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 9.18
    10 Greek 9.19
    11 Algerian_Jewish 9.58
    12 Greek_Thessaly 9.74
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.34
    14 North_Italian 14.39
    15 Libyan_Jewish 14.99
    16 Bulgarian 16.17
    17 Cyprian 17.15
    18 Romanian 17.98
    19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.19
    20 Serbian 20.67


    #4:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan 5.55
    2 West_Sicilian 5.64
    3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.8
    4 East_Sicilian 7.22
    5 Central_Greek 7.76
    6 Greek 8.09
    7 South_Italian 8.11
    8 Greek_Thessaly 8.91
    9 Ashkenazi 10.43
    10 North_Italian 11.21
    11 Italian_Jewish 12.05
    12 Algerian_Jewish 13.08
    13 Sephardic_Jewish 13.28
    14 Bulgarian 14.41
    15 Romanian 16.48
    16 Tunisian_Jewish 17.32
    17 Spanish_Andalucia 17.89
    18 Spanish_Extremadura 18.21
    19 Spanish_Murcia 18.53
    20 Portuguese 18.55


    #5:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Abruzzo 3.85
    2 West_Sicilian 4.24
    3 East_Sicilian 4.68
    4 Central_Greek 5.86
    5 South_Italian 6.19
    6 Tuscan 7.13
    7 Ashkenazi 7.82
    8 Italian_Jewish 9.31
    9 Greek 9.57
    10 Greek_Thessaly 9.96
    11 Sephardic_Jewish 10.23
    12 Algerian_Jewish 11.1
    13 North_Italian 13.53
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.62
    15 Bulgarian 16.06
    16 Libyan_Jewish 16.35
    17 Romanian 17.75
    18 Cyprian 18.2
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.84
    20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.17


    #6:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 4.7
    2 Central_Greek 4.89
    3 Ashkenazi 5.39
    4 West_Sicilian 5.89
    5 South_Italian 6.38
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.4
    7 Greek_Thessaly 6.82
    8 Greek 7.33
    9 Italian_Jewish 8.98
    10 Tuscan 9.22
    11 Algerian_Jewish 10.17
    12 Sephardic_Jewish 10.47
    13 Bulgarian 14.33
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.48
    15 Libyan_Jewish 15.12
    16 North_Italian 15.3
    17 Romanian 16.31
    18 Cyprian 17.01
    19 Serbian 19.09
    20 Lebanese_Muslim 20.5


    #7:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 7.24
    2 Central_Greek 7.65
    3 Ashkenazi 7.73
    4 South_Italian 8.62
    5 Greek_Thessaly 10.36
    6 Italian_Jewish 10.44
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 10.49
    8 West_Sicilian 12.11
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 12.23
    10 Algerian_Jewish 12.46
    11 Greek 13.07
    12 Libyan_Jewish 13.63
    13 Tuscan 14.35
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 15.14
    15 Cyprian 15.46
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 18.15
    17 Syrian 18.17
    18 Turkish 18.69
    19 Bulgarian 18.79
    20 North_Italian 20.17


    #8:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Sicilian 4.94
    2 South_Italian 5.47
    3 East_Sicilian 6.34
    4 Central_Greek 7.34
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.4
    6 Italian_Jewish 8.07
    7 Algerian_Jewish 8.32
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.43
    9 Ashkenazi 9.37
    10 Tuscan 10.05
    11 Greek 10.07
    12 Greek_Thessaly 11.77
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.5
    14 Libyan_Jewish 15.36
    15 North_Italian 16.14
    16 Cyprian 16.37
    17 Bulgarian 17.72
    18 Romanian 20
    19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.18
    20 Syrian 20.89


    #9:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Abruzzo 6.89
    2 South_Italian 7.48
    3 West_Sicilian 7.64
    4 East_Sicilian 7.66
    5 Central_Greek 7.81
    6 Tuscan 8.96
    7 Italian_Jewish 10.24
    8 Ashkenazi 10.67
    9 Greek_Thessaly 10.81
    10 Greek 12.14
    11 Sephardic_Jewish 12.46
    12 Algerian_Jewish 12.47
    13 North_Italian 14.58
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 16.33
    15 Libyan_Jewish 16.58
    16 Bulgarian 18.26
    17 Cyprian 18.82
    18 Romanian 19.6
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 21.12
    20 Portuguese 21.22



    #10:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 7.91
    2 Central_Greek 7.92
    3 East_Sicilian 8.32
    4 Ashkenazi 8.97
    5 Italian_Jewish 9.1
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 10.26
    7 Algerian_Jewish 10.86
    8 West_Sicilian 11.02
    9 Greek_Thessaly 11.22
    10 Sephardic_Jewish 11.46
    11 Greek 12.97
    12 Libyan_Jewish 13.09
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.31
    14 Cyprian 14.45
    15 Tuscan 14.53
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.88
    17 Syrian 18.83
    18 Bulgarian 19.48
    19 Turkish 19.88
    20 Samaritan 20.38


    #11:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 5.03
    2 South_Italian 5.72
    3 Central_Greek 5.89
    4 West_Sicilian 6.37
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.64
    6 Ashkenazi 7.53
    7 Greek_Thessaly 8.58
    8 Greek 8.82
    9 Italian_Jewish 9.1
    10 Tuscan 9.91
    11 Algerian_Jewish 10.39
    12 Sephardic_Jewish 10.52
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.79
    14 Libyan_Jewish 14.89
    15 Bulgarian 15.38
    16 North_Italian 15.99
    17 Cyprian 17.05
    18 Romanian 17.37
    19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.01
    20 Serbian 20.51



    #12:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_Sicilian 4.37
    2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.56
    3 Tuscan 5.79
    4 East_Sicilian 6.17
    5 Central_Greek 7.38
    6 South_Italian 7.7
    7 Ashkenazi 8.92
    8 Greek_Thessaly 10.1
    9 Greek 10.25
    10 Italian_Jewish 10.36
    11 Sephardic_Jewish 11.44
    12 North_Italian 12.08
    13 Algerian_Jewish 12.15
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 15.7
    15 Bulgarian 15.95
    16 Libyan_Jewish 17.18
    17 Romanian 17.35
    18 Spanish_Extremadura 18.16
    19 Spanish_Murcia 18.59
    20 Portuguese 18.68


    #13:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 South_Italian 5.15
    2 East_Sicilian 5.52
    3 Italian_Jewish 6.35
    4 Central_Greek 6.98
    5 Algerian_Jewish 7.27
    6 West_Sicilian 7.32
    7 Ashkenazi 8.22
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.31
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.07
    10 Greek 10.93
    11 Greek_Thessaly 10.97
    12 Tunisian_Jewish 11.57
    13 Tuscan 11.62
    14 Libyan_Jewish 12.47
    15 Cyprian 14.91
    16 North_Italian 17.73
    17 Bulgarian 18.67
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 19.18
    19 Syrian 19.52
    20 Samaritan 20.49


    #14:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 5.27
    2 Italian_Abruzzo 5.57
    3 West_Sicilian 5.76
    4 South_Italian 5.76
    5 Central_Greek 6.1
    6 Italian_Jewish 7.83
    7 Ashkenazi 8.03
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 9.01
    9 Tuscan 9.65
    10 Algerian_Jewish 9.81
    11 Greek 11.05
    12 Greek_Thessaly 11.45
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.42
    14 Libyan_Jewish 14.83
    15 North_Italian 15.86
    16 Cyprian 16.22
    17 Bulgarian 18.21
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 19.52
    19 Turkish 19.74
    20 Romanian 19.92



    #15:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 East_Sicilian 7.24
    2 Central_Greek 7.65
    3 Ashkenazi 7.73
    4 South_Italian 8.62
    5 Greek_Thessaly 10.36
    6 Italian_Jewish 10.44
    7 Italian_Abruzzo 10.49
    8 West_Sicilian 12.11
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 12.23
    10 Algerian_Jewish 12.46
    11 Greek 13.07
    12 Libyan_Jewish 13.63
    13 Tuscan 14.35
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 15.14
    15 Cyprian 15.46
    16 Lebanese_Muslim 18.15
    17 Syrian 18.17
    18 Turkish 18.69
    19 Bulgarian 18.79
    20 North_Italian 20.17

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    i guess you're right then, i guess they used an unusually northern-admixed sample

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    i guess you're right then, i guess they used an unusually northern-admixed sample
    Yes. I do think Trapani is slightly northern shifted but the sample is even more so than the average person there, and certainly does not represent Agrigento, Palermo, and Caltanissetta, where people are closer even to North African Jews much of the time.

    SE Sicily tends to score "Central Greek" first sometimes, which makes sense.

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