Who left more genetic impact: The Normans in Sicily or the Venetians in Crete?

[gültekin]

Enjoy being a 45 year old middle aged failiure trolling people 20 years younger than you. I feel sorry for you, Gultekin.

I'm 33 years old and I have a good life

You should feel sorry for someone who spends his life excommunicating his own "swarthy" people and creating pathetic threads like this one.

[JMack]

It is actually entertaining to watch these Cretans and Sicilians praise their northerner invaders and argue who have more foreign ancestry LOL.

Why they should praise Arabs/Levantines instead? That's what you're saying. They are equally invaders, and worst, they are totally unrelated culturally to Cretans and Sicilians. It's not the same thing with Normans and Venetians. To say Siclians are more related to Arabs than to Venetians is a sign of big stupidity. And as I explained for you in another thread, Venetians aren't nordic looking on average. For sure you can find more people with nordic phenotypes among Venetians than among Cretans, but as a whole they don't differ THAT MUCH.

Arabs are more related culturally to Turks than they are to Cretans. In real life no one perceive Cretans as MENAs despite what genetics says and Turks are seen as MENAs by almost everyone in western countries. Genetically, Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are even more Levantine shifted than Cretans and they don't look ''MENA'' on average (Sephardics look even less MENA than Ashkenazis imo) .

[MinervaItalica]

The only ancient peoples who are truly related to Sicilians are the Italic peoples who lived in Sicily, ancient Greek immigrants (who were not invaders but were fleeing from Greece) during Magna Graecia and Romans. Others may have had some impact but still not that big (Normans, Arabs, Aragonese etc...)

And Sicilians are related to other Italians before anything else.

[gültekin]

Why they should praise Arabs/Levantines instead? That's what you're saying.

Where the hell did I say they should praise Arabs? They were both invaders, but Lavrentis goes apeshit when someone mentions possible Arab ancestry in Crete, that's the point.

Arabs are more related culturally to Turks than they are to Cretans.

What do you know about Turkish folk culture apart from the fact that we are Muslims LOL? Syrian refugees (the closest Arabic-speaking people geographically) are still alienated despite all those in Turkey because they are culturally exteremely different.

In real life no one perceive Cretans as MENAs despite what genetics says and Turks are seen as MENAs by almost everyone in western countries. Genetically, Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are even more Levantine shifted than Cretans and they don't look ''MENA'' on average (Sephardics look even less MENA than Ashkenazis imo) .

It does not matter even if they think Turkey is an Arabic country. We are not talking about perceptions but facts, Cretans score 17% SW Asian + 5% North African admixture and are Semite-shifted. Most people in the USA think of Irish actors they've seen on Hollywood movies (such as 300) when they hear "Greeks," perceptions = / = reality

[Dorian]

Lol neckbeard what good life?wear sunglasses to hide your faggot nerdy eyes.

[Odin]

The Normans in Sicily.

[Grace O'Malley]

Normans left a miniscule legacy in Sicily. This is obvious looking at genetics.

[Voskos]

I score around 20% italian on average , except in myheritage where i score 1%.