Could Iberian E-V13 be Visigothic?

[Cristiano viejo]

Carthagenians are seen as more 'western' as they were the second most powerful classical antiquity city state after Rome in the Med basin, hundreds of Greek-Roman were written about them from Herodotus and Aristotle to Jordans in Byzantium, all of which influenced Renaissance scholars and 18th-19th century classicists. While the moors are seen as backward and evil oriental foot soldiers who want to export an anti-Western draconian religion to Europa regardless of wither they are genetically the same as a Carthaginian

Not the same a North African from 2000 or 7000 years ago that these savages nd uncivilized from the Middle Ages.No comment modern North Africans who are practically quadroons and fully undeveloped.

There is a difference.

[Nassbean]

Carthagenians are seen as more 'western' as they were the second most powerful classical antiquity city state after Rome in the Med basin, hundreds of Greek-Roman were written about them from Herodotus and Aristotle to Jordans in Byzantium, all of which influenced Renaissance scholars and 18th-19th century classicists. While the moors are seen as backward and evil oriental foot soldiers who want to export an anti-Western draconian religion to Europa regardless of wither they are genetically the same as a Carthaginian

That's quite ironic because carthaginians were way less tolerant than the later moors when it comes to Iberia but yes I understand that's why I said many members here are biased and influenced by their socio-cultural environnement.

[Nassbean]

Not the same a North African from 2000 or 7000 years ago that these savages nd uncivilized from the Middle Ages.No comment modern North Africans who are practically quadroons and fully undeveloped.

There is a difference.

quite ironic coming from a spanish while it's phoenicians, carthaginians, romans and the moors that civilized your barbaric celtiberian and iberian tribes.

[Cristiano viejo]

quite ironic coming from a spanish while it's phoenicians, carthaginians, romans and the moors that civilized your barbaric celtiberian and iberian tribes.

Yes, specially Carthaginians and moors

[Gallop]

Absolutamente no, no y no y no hay más que hablar.
No es no.

[zebruh]

Depends on the subclade. Search up the subclades on Y tree and ftdna project

[Gallop]

Depends on the subclade. Search up the subclades on Y tree and ftdna project

Many people do not know that when you enter a project you are giving permission for those who lead the project to access all your genetic data and, in addition to not being informed of anything, you can take surprises and see a publication about your data without your consent and also erroneous .

[Germaniac]

But there was already a sample of E-V13 in Spain that predates the impressed ware culture. Also Impressed ware culture reached Sardinia but no E-V13 there.

All of that old E-V13 died out in Iberia, as all current E-V13 descends from survivors of a bottleneck about 2000 B.C. in the northern Balkans. The Visigoths being actually a mixture of Dacians, Thracians, and Germanic tribesmen (and having a small amount of E-V13 even when they were in what today is northern Poland are surely at least one source of E-V13 in the Peninsula.

[Jingle Bell]

Yes, also J-L283, I2a2a and some branchs of R1b, R1a
Visigoths were the Germanic which did most impact in Iberia. The imigration of they was also heavy made of males so their impact was mostly in Ydna but also autossonomical, they were a mix of Germanic + Slavic + Balkanic + Italian Imperial, unlike Suebis that get here pretty much full Germanic:

[Kriptc06]

Yes, also J-L283, I2a2a and some branchs of R1b, R1a
Visigoths were the Germanic which did most impact in Iberia. The imigration of they was also heavy made of males so their impact was mostly in Ydna but also autossonomical, they were a mix of Germanic + Slavic + Balkanic + Italian Imperial, unlike Suebis that get here pretty much full Germanic:

Still a possibility tho, could be visigothic, roman, or be already there all along, mine looks quite recent, were talking about middle ages, so this post makes a little more sence now that I know my final subclade