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    Quote Originally Posted by Siyendi View Post
    We didnt get anything from Persians. For Turkomans, traditionally even sleeping with Persian woman or captive is abomination and kids born from such relations not considered same as normal people
    English traveller confirms.


    If you have Persian mother you are half caste
    is this why those horny bastards still raped them?
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    The greatest subhumanism that has graced Europe.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

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    The Ottoman Empire was first and foremost and Arabic and Islamic stretching all the way to Egypt and Lybia.

    Millions of Arabs, Egyptians, and other Muslims were brought into Turkey, even Sudanese Africans known nowadays by the name Afro-Turks.

    Turkey is one big gypsiland. The Balkanetes have always been an irrelevant small number, in the millions of Turkomongoloid gypsies. But the Ottoman Elite was Balkanite to make up "for the deficient in intelligence Turkish mind"

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    the ottoman empire was indeed a disgrace, because of it islam was spread more , we have muslims in europe and the crusaders states failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900 View Post
    and the Turkification of today's Azeris was a gradual process that took many centuries to complete:
    ah, i missed this, so persianaites Turkified the poor persians , seems even persianetes didn't give a flying fuck for being forsi

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    Quote Originally Posted by gültekin View Post
    hehe idiot, everone knows that the official language of Safavids was Turkish, even Ismail has wrote his poets with pure Turkish. and also wery good documented which Turkmen tribes were included to Safawids. They called even persians tajik as etnic slure, they didn2t allowed them to Army, which had the same meaning .
    Azari is another etnikk group. We talking here about Turks in Iran ,Turks living in south Azerbaijan Gulistan and Kashkaj, they reach to 35 million in current iran population
    Can you debate without throwing ad hominem attacks? Lol, evidence? What do you mean by Turks? Do you mean Anatolian Turks of Iran? Azaris are today's Turkified Azeris, and they're not the same as the Anatolian Turks of Turkey.

    Although the Safavid rulers and citizens were of native stock and continuously reasserted their Iranian identity, the power structure of the Safavid state was mainly divided into two groups: the Turkic-speaking military/ruling elite—whose job was to maintain the territorial integrity and continuity of the Iranian empire through their leadership—and the Persian-speaking administrative/governing elite—whose job was to oversee the operation and development of the nation and its identity through their high positions. Thus came the term "Turk and Tajik", which was used by native Iranians for many generations to describe the Persianate, or Turko-Persian, nature of many dynasties which ruled over Greater Iran between the 12th and 20th centuries, in that these dynasties promoted and helped continue the dominant Persian linguistic and cultural identity of their states, although the dynasties themselves were of non-Persian (e.g. Turkic) linguistic origins. The relationship between the Turkic-speaking 'Turks' and Persian-speaking 'Tajiks' was symbiotic, yet some form of rivalry did exist between the two. As the former represented the "people of the sword" and the latter, "the people of the pen", high-level official posts would naturally be reserved for the Persians. Indeed, this had been the situation throughout Persian history, even before the Safavids, ever since the Arab conquest.[184] Shah Tahmasp introduced a change to this, when he, and the other Safavid rulers who succeeded him, sought to blur the formerly defined lines between the two linguistic groups, by taking the sons of Turkic-speaking officers into the royal household for their education in the Persian language. Consequently, they were slowly able to take on administrative jobs in areas which had hitherto been the exclusive preserve of the ethnic Persians.[185]
    The language of the administration, courts and so on was Persian, not Turkish:

    "The Persian focus is also reflected in the fact that theological works also began to be composed in the Persian language and in that Persian verses replaced Arabic on the coins." "The political system that emerged under them had overlapping political and religious boundaries and a core language, Persian, which served as the literary tongue, and even began to replace Arabic as the vehicle for theological discourse".
    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/safavids

    "Depressing though the condition in the country may have been at the time of the fall of Safavids, they cannot be allowed to overshadow the achievements of the dynasty, which was in many respects to prove essential factors in the development of Persia in modern times. These include the maintenance of Persian as the official language and of the present-day boundaries of the country, adherence to the Twelever Shi'i, the monarchical system, the planning and architectural features of the urban centers, the centralised administration of the state, the alliance of the Shi'i Ulama with the merchant bazaars, and the symbiosis of the Persian-speaking population with important non-Persian, especially Turkish speaking minorities".
    Roemer, H. R. (1986). "The Safavid Period". The Cambridge History of Iran, Vol. 6: The Timurid and Safavid Periods. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 189–350.

    About the military:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavi...e_of_Qizilbash
    Chardin specifically noticed the rank of doctors and astrologers and the respect that the Shahs had for them. The Shah had a dozen of each in his service and would usually be accompanied by three doctors and three astrologers, who were authorized to sit by his side on various occasions.[207] The Chief Physician (Hakim-bashi) was a highly considered member of the Royal court,[209] and the most revered astrologer of the court was given the title Munajjim-bashi (Chief Astrologer).[210]

    The Safavid court was furthermore a rich mix of peoples from its earliest days.[211] As Prof. David Blow states, foremost among the courtiers were the old nobility of Turkoman Qizilbash lords and their sons. Although already by the early years of king Abbas' reign (r. 1588–1629) they were no longer controlling the state, the Turkoman Qizilbash continued to provide many of the senior army officers and to fill important administrative and ceremonial offices in the royal household.[211] There were the Persians who still dominated the bureaucracy and under Abbas held the two highest government offices of Grand Vizier and Comptroller-General of the Revenues (mostoufi-ye mamalek), which was the nearest thing to a finance minister.[211] There were also the large number of gholams or "slaves of the shah", who were mainly Georgians, Circassians and Armenians.[211] As a result of Abbas' reforms, they held high offices in the army, the administration and the royal household. Last but by no means least there were the palace eunuchs who were also ghulams - "white" eunuchs largely from the Caucasus, and "black" eunuchs from India and Africa.[211] Under Abbas, the eunuchs became an increasingly important element at the court.[211]

    During the first century of the dynasty, the primary court language remained Azeri,[206] although this increasingly changed after the capital was moved to Isfahan.[11] David Blow adds; "it seems likely that most, if not all, of the Turkoman grandees at the court also spoke Persian, which was the language of the administration and culture, as well as of the majority of the population. But the reverse seems not to have been true. When Abbas had a lively conversation in Turkish with the Italian traveller Pietro Della Valle, in front of his courtiers, he had to translate the conversation afterwards into Persian for the benefit of most of those present."[211] Lastly, due to the large amount of Georgians, Circassians, and Armenians at the Safavid court (the gholams and in the harem), the Georgian, Circassian and Armenian languages were spoken as well, since these were their mother tongues.[212] Abbas himself was able to speak Georgian as well.[213]
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    Quote Originally Posted by gültekin View Post
    ah, i missed this, so persianaites Turkified the poor persians , seems even persianetes didn't give a flying fuck for being forsi
    Today's Azeris are a mix of Iranian, Caucasian and the Turkic tribes from today's Turkmenistan, and they are genetically very closely related to the Kurds in the mtDNA which tells us that they got Turkified by men via elite-dominance of the region.

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    Amou Haji, 80-Year-Old Iranian Man, Smokes Animal Poop, Says He Hasn’t Bathed In 60 Year
    meanvile iran in the hand of forsis

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    The greatest subhumanism that has graced Europe.

    This was Atilla.

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    Well, the Ottoman empire was ruled by the Jannisari who were white Europeans.

    I guess the emperors had enough IQ to outsource the ruling of their empire to white Europeans while they spent their time in harem degeneracy (ruled by their mothers) and killing off their younger siblings.

    Sick man of Europe indeed.

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