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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia? And even within Christianity, there have been the big historic divisions between a mainly Protestant North versus a mainly Catholic South versus a mainly Orthodox East etc.
    Here is a passage from Lev' Gumilev's book "Конец и вновь начало" "End and beggining once again"

    Sorry for the Google Translate, but i'm too tired to translate it manually.

    "Charlemagne died in 814, and with his son Louis Pious, strife broke out, which ended in 841 with the complete collapse of the empire. By what principle did it split? According to the territorial.

    The western part, which now forms the bulk of French territory, was Roman-speaking. There they spoke of spoiled Latin, which we now regard as French. The eastern part was German-speaking, there they spoke different German dialects, one of which we are currently studying at school. The Germans understood each other from the fifth to the tenth. The future French understood each other more easily. But most importantly, both of them were the two wings of one empire and could not stand each other.

    And in the middle between the Rhone, the Rhine and the Alps settled the third tribe, absolutely not like the Burgundians. The Burgundians were the most cultured of all the Germanic tribes. They were very tall, red-bearded, they did not cut their beards, they also wore pretty thick hair and did not mind drinking, but they were very good-natured and capable of science, i.e. They were Germans, who poured ancient Roman culture. In addition, they were Arians (this is one of the branches of the early Christian church) and therefore stood out among others. They were then forced to accept Catholicism, but they did it with great reluctance and stood out as something special.

    Thus, three unlike species of people were formed. And they distinguished each other magnificently. If a person came from somewhere in China or from Persia, then all the Europeans seemed to be the same person, but as soon as he lives there he sees that they are different. And since they were different, they wanted to live differently, and the empire was one: from the Elbe to the Ebro River in Spain and half of Italy (the other half was seized by the Byzantine Greeks). In such a diverse country, management should have been one. But who will get the power was unclear.

    Charles had three grandsons, and they seized each other. First two, Louis the German and Carl the Bald, attacked the elder brother of Lothar, who wore the title of emperor, and defeated him at the Battle of Fontenoy. It happened in 841, and this is the year of the birth of Europe. I'll explain why.


    Lothar fled, but what was strange, and this is noted even by the chroniclers: usually after the big battle the winners killed the wounded vanquished, and then they said: "Why are we at war, we are still our own, we have different principles, you here defended Lothar, Which was for the unity of the empire, which we do not want, but still we are not strangers. " And they carried water to wounded enemies. The war suddenly acquired features that were not characteristic of the wars of that time.

    And it ended with the fact that two years later in the city of Strasbourg, Charles and Louis read an oath to each other, and Louis read in French for the warriors of Charles, and Karl - in German for the soldiers of Louis. The oath was that they divided the country in half, the Germans separately, the French (for the first time this word was pronounced) would also be separately. Before that, there were no French and Germans. There were Welsh, and in the east there were all kinds of German tribes called Teutons. The Germans and the French, as has already been said, are various francs. The Franks were on both sides, for the Franks are the name of the Germanic tribe that led the whole empire, and the empire collapsed."

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    The way of life and mentality in Europe and north America is almost homogenous. Is there anything more accurate to determine the fact that Europe exists?

    *Sikeliot yes, I would personally feel more at home in Finland than in any MENA country including the one you refered, maybe except of climate

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    Mediterrenean peoples back then were more related and North Europeans were foreign.

    Phoenicians (Levant), , Iberians, Carthaginians (North Africa) Greeks, Egyptians. these were all related and culturally more similar, north europe was very foreign.
    but arab invasion and fall of rome changed many things as i think. sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    The way of life and mentality in Europe and north America is almost homogenous.
    Only insofar as they revolve a lot around television, computers and mobile phones, but then you could also say the same about East Asia and even the wealthier parts of the Middle East. By and large Mediterranean countries tend to be more family-focused, while Germanic countries tend to be more society-focused (hence the extraordinarily high taxes and large-scale public ownership found in the Scandinavian countries in particular), while Anglophone countries tend to be more individualistic than both of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Only insofar as they revolve a lot around television, computers and mobile phones, but then you could also say the same about East Asia and even the wealthier parts of the Middle East. By and large Mediterranean countries tend to be more family-focused, while Germanic countries tend to be more society-focused (hence the extraordinarily high taxes and large-scale public ownership found in the Scandinavian countries in particular), while Anglophone countries tend to be more individualistic than both of the above.
    Not really. even in non-religious areas of far east Asia people behave in a very different way than Europeans. Middle east is even more different

    I agree with the rest of your description, and for sure there are significant differences between "sub-regions", but the core is almost the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    Not really. even in non-religious areas of far east Asia people behave in a very different way than Europeans. Middle east is even more different

    I agree with the rest of your description, and for sure there are differences between "sub-regions", but the core is almost the same.
    Politics and economics in particular differ more between the different European countries and regions than many realise. Not just in the sense that some European countries are poorer, more corrupt or more unequal than others, but that some are more socialist-oriented (principally Scandinavia and arguably France, Benelux and even Merkel's Germany too), while others have lower taxes, more private ownership and less state welfare (rest of the continent, to varying degrees).

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    it is not just christianity

    despite that there are of course differences among europeans too especially when you reach and compare the extreme borders of each side europeans are still closer to each other than they are to most of the other humans of the world . which is not too surprising either since it is the smallest "continent"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Politics and economics in particular differ more between the different European countries and regions than many realise. Not just in the sense that some European countries are poorer, more corrupt or more unequal than others, but that some are more socialist-oriented (principally Scandinavia and arguably France, Benelux and even Merkel's Germany too), while others have lower taxes, more private ownership and less state welfare (rest of the continent, to varying degrees).
    I know. I recently read an Amway's study which indicated the differences between European nations in terms of attitudes towards free-market.

    In a weird way, Sweden scored the most (more than 90%) meanwhile germany and Slovakia (along with other eastern European countries) the least (50-60%). Greece was in the middle (70%), but all European countries had something in common, all scored over 50%, which shows that individualism nowdays tends to be a "pan-European" trait in contrast to more "collectivistic" asian and African societies

    On the other hand, the variety on percentages indicates the fact that significant differences between Europeans still exist

    Politics and economy are not associated but still related to mentality and mentality is related to culture and race

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    I know. I recently read an Amway's study which indicated the differences between European nations in terms of attitudes towards free-market.

    In a weird way, Sweden scored the most (more than 90%) meanwhile germany and Slovakia (along with other eastern European countries) the least (50-60%). Greece was in the middle (70%), but all European countries had something in common, all scored over 50%, which shows that individualism nowdays tends to be a "pan-European" trait

    Politics and economy are not associated but still related to mentality and mentality is related to culture and race
    It depends what they are measuring. Swedes tend to be socially very individualistic - quite reserved, not especially big or close-knit families, sexually liberated etc. - but their economy is almost as collectivist/socialist as a non-Communist country can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    It depends what they are measuring. Swedes tend to be socially very individualistic - quite reserved, not especially big or close-knit families, sexually liberated etc. - but their economy is almost as collectivist/socialist as a non-Communist country can get.
    that was my impression too, for that reason i said "in a weird way". The study measured the attitude towards free market, which is the opposite of collectivism, and Swedes scored the highest frequency of positive attitude towards free market

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