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    Four NATO powers prefer Russia to the US, Gallup poll shows



    A Gallup poll has revealed that citizens of four NATO nations would sooner count on Russia to defend them rather than the United States, Bloomberg reported on Friday, reflecting the changing perceptions of the US's role in global security.

    Between October and December 2016, WIN/Gallup International asked around a thousand people in 66 countries who would be their go-to ally if attacked. While the military might of the US was still the first choice for most of the respondents polled, people from Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria and Slovenia - all members of the transatlantic NATO alliance - opted for Russia when asked whom they felt they could count on if they felt under threat.

    Other countries which preferred Russian over American protection included China, Iran, and Serbia. Russia itself chose China as their main ally, while Americans voted for the UK. Iraq, Bosnia, and Ukraine, countries with deep ethnic, religious and political divides, were split roughly evenly between Russia and the US.

    “It isn’t surprising that Russians and Chinese chose each other, but it is new,’’ WIN/Gallup vice president Kancho Stoychev told Bloomberg. “It shows us something very important - that US policy over the last 20 years has driven Russia into the arms of China, which is quite strange because Russia is fundamentally a part of Europe.’’

    Stoychev suggested that the sentiments towards in Russia in Greece and Bulgaria could be driven by a fear of Turkey. While all three are NATO members, Turkey’s intervention in Cyprus in 1974 may have undermined trust in the alliance.

    In other European countries, more people looked across the continent for their defensive partners. For example, 29 percent of Swedes looked to the UK for protection, almost as many as to the US (31 percent). This could partly be due to comments made by US President Donald Trump, who has referred to NATO as "obsolete" and has called for a stronger relationship with Russia, worrying some European countries, particularly, Poland and the Baltics.

    However, under President Trump, the US and NATO has continued to amass troops and equipment in Eastern Europe, close to Russia’s borders. In an interview shortly after a bilateral meeting in January, British Prime Minister Theresa May told reporters that Trump had “confirmed he’s 100 percent behind NATO”.

    The results of the Gallup survey coincides with the annual Munich Security Conference in Germany, attended by senior security policymakers from around the world.

    NATO was founded in 1949 in the early years of the Cold War, bringing together the US, Canada and mainly Westen European powers to act as a counterweight to the Soviet-led Eastern bloc. The alliance has continued to grow and has expanded eastwards over the last few decades, despite the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
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    Slovenia is surprising. Bulgaria also but not as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
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    Between October and December 2016, WIN/Gallup International asked around a thousand people in 66 countries who would be their go-to ally if attacked. While the military might of the US was still the first choice for most of the respondents polled, people from Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria and Slovenia - all members of the transatlantic NATO alliance - opted for Russia when asked whom they felt they could count on if they felt under threat.

    Other countries which preferred Russian over American protection included China, Iran, and Serbia. Russia itself chose China as their main ally
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomas View Post
    Islamists,Nazis,Commies of the world, unite!
    No Nazis and Commies there (China doesn't really count). And Iran doesn't look that Islamist next to Saudi Arabia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    No Nazis and Commies there (China doesn't really count). And Iran doesn't look that Islamist next to Saudi Arabia.
    Nazi/ commi both are socialistic dictatorship ideologies with the main purpose of destroying the modern world by diversionist activity (ie modern terrorism) or open war. All of these countries are correspond to these conditions. And Iranian Islamism is directly growing from this ideology. Ayatollahs had a good teachers from German intelligence. Saudies are kids in compare with iran, which destabilized neat east for many years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomas View Post
    Nazi/ commi both are socialistic dictatorship ideologies with the main purpose of destroying the modern world by diversionist activity (ie modern terrorism) or open war. All of these countries are correspond to these conditions.
    Nope, socialism is not communism even if a part of society is communist. In China capitalism is thriving now and Russia is surely less socialist than NATO countries. And then there are Serbia, Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria and Slovenia - muh socialist dictatorships.
    As for warmongering and diversionist activity, who can compare with NATO?

    And Iranian Islamism is directly growing from this ideology. Ayatollahs had a good teachers from German intelligence. Saudies are kids in compare with iran, which destabilized neat east for many years
    Well, these Saudian 'kids' are considered perhaps the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism.
    Let alone the fact that ISIS like movements operate in interests of NATO.

    While Saudi Arabia is often a secondary source of funds and support for terror movements who can find more motivated and ideologically invested benefactors (e.g. Qatar), Saudi Arabia arguably remains the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting groups as disparate as the Afghanistan Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Al-Nusra Front.[98]

    Saudi Arabia is said to be the world's largest source of funds and promoter of Salafist jihadism,[99] which forms the ideological basis of terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS and others.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-...m#Saudi_Arabia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Nope, socialism is not communism even if a part of society is communist. In China capitalism is thriving now and Russia is surely less socialist than NATO countries. And then there are Serbia, Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria and Slovenia - muh socialist dictatorships.
    My point is: it doesn't matter what ideological,economical ot religious policy followed state. it does not matter, Allah, Odin, Marx, Lenin or Mao they believe. dictatorship is still dictatorship, mode of ruling based on a strong authority verctical with repressive methods. So when former and current commies or nazis do build kind of capitalist economy it doesn't change their nature, they're still empires, sultanates, reichs etc. with absolute monarchs (dictators) at the head. Husk is different, but core is the same
    What about Nato's members with a weird hopes for Russia, i'm not sure whether it's true, but if it's true it can be easily explained by commie past or nazi/islamists ideas influence.

    As for warmongering and diversionist activity, who can compare with NATO?
    Not for the last 6 years unfortunately.


    Well, these Saudian 'kids' are considered perhaps the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism.
    Let alone the fact that ISIS like movements operate in interests of NATO.
    Different terroristic organizations get financial support from all countries, including non-muslim. But Iran supports terroristic organizations and preach terroristic ideology like Hezbollah at the gvmt level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomas View Post
    My point is: it doesn't matter what ideological,economical ot religious policy followed state. it does not matter, Allah, Odin, Marx, Lenin or Mao they believe. dictatorship is still dictatorship, mode of ruling based on a strong authority verctical with repressive methods. So when former and current commies or nazis do build kind of capitalist economy it doesn't change their nature, they're still empires, sultanates, reichs etc. with absolute monarchs (dictators) at the head. Husk is different, but core is the same
    'The former commies' that now build capitalist economies weren't commies in the first place. Just capitalists (or whatever) in disguise who turned their countries in desired direction once they got an opportunity ('thanks' to the West too). Remember, it's not the people who destroyed USSR, but the elite. People (even expecting too much from Perestroika) voted against it.
    Concerning 'dictatorships', imo, it's not so good in Western Europe as it may seem. Nations there are being destroyed in no time and the people of these nations are to watch the process silently...

    Not for the last 6 years unfortunately.
    I see you don't want concurrents at warmongering and diversionist activity. OK, then.
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