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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    If you both have big, hooked noses, then by definition you can't not look similar to Armenoids. Same goes for Dinarids, and even Keltic-Nordids, but to a much lesser extent for the latter.

    Literally, the eastern half of Anatolia used to be majority Armenian, you are neighbours, genetically related, it's not possible for both groups to not look alike. You "stop your racism".
    That's what I said. Everywhere in Anatolia you can find people with noses. I don't know what your purpose is but maybe it's your English? And No. We do not look like people in Eastern Anatolia and our culture is very different. There are mountains between those regions. If you look at the genetical maps the most distinctive region is Northeast of Turkey. The other parts are quite similar but that region is different.

    Northern and northestern Anatolia have never been "mostly Armenian". If you believe the so called drawn maps of Armenian ancient kingdom you are naive. Those areas are pontic Greek and Laz regions and always stayed that way from ancient time. According to Armenians everywhere belongs to them. Hahaha.




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    I might be mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton90 View Post
    I might be mistaken.
    Erzurum is not Northeast in Turkish standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSecret View Post
    Erzurum is not Northeast in Turkish standards.
    Its also not southeast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Its also not southeast. It's genetically more northeast.
    The city is in Eastern Anatolia. When we talk about Northeast of Turkey we mean Trabzon, Rize, Artvin in Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSecret View Post
    The city is in Eastern Anatolia. When we talk about Northeast of Turkey we mean Trabzon, Rize, Artvin in Turkey.
    Here are the Erzurum average distances. Very close to Artvin:

    Distance to: Turk_Erzurum
    3.51143845 Armenian_East
    4.24854093 Turk_Artvin
    4.31449881 Udi_Azerbaijan
    4.34139379 Turk_Gumushane
    4.42361843 Turk_East
    4.58908488 Turk_Ahiska
    4.74119183 Turk_Ardahan
    6.12552039 Turk_Erzincan
    6.91587305 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    7.07446111 Armenian_West
    8.04565100 Hemshin
    8.04652099 Georgian
    8.17404429 Turk_Giresun_South
    8.28147330 Turk_Trabzon
    8.32782084 Greek_Pontus
    8.59375355 Turk_Rize
    8.75345646 Laz
    8.78323972 Turk_Elazig
    9.39835092 Zaza
    9.45192044 Azeri_Jew
    9.51261268 Assyrian_North
    9.83112405 Assyrian_West
    10.01309143 Turk_Malatya
    10.03874992 Assyrian_South
    10.34532261 Azerbaijani_Turkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Here are the Erzurum average distances. Very close to Artvin:

    Distance to: Turk_Erzurum
    3.51143845 Armenian_East
    4.24854093 Turk_Artvin
    4.31449881 Udi_Azerbaijan
    4.34139379 Turk_Gumushane
    4.42361843 Turk_East
    4.58908488 Turk_Ahiska
    4.74119183 Turk_Ardahan
    6.12552039 Turk_Erzincan
    6.91587305 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    7.07446111 Armenian_West
    8.04565100 Hemshin
    8.04652099 Georgian
    8.17404429 Turk_Giresun_South
    8.28147330 Turk_Trabzon
    8.32782084 Greek_Pontus
    8.59375355 Turk_Rize
    8.75345646 Laz
    8.78323972 Turk_Elazig
    9.39835092 Zaza
    9.45192044 Azeri_Jew
    9.51261268 Assyrian_North
    9.83112405 Assyrian_West
    10.01309143 Turk_Malatya
    10.03874992 Assyrian_South
    10.34532261 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    The bold are northeastern clusters.

    I'd like to add that many northeasterners have been relocated by Russia. They moved to Erzurum, Sivas, İstanbul, Kocaeli and Bursa mostly. You can meet many people in those cities whose ancestors escaped from Ottoman-Russo wars in 1877-1878.

    My grand grand father was also an Ottoman spy during these wars. He had been killed though. That's what my grandfather said. I don't know the details lol. But they didn't leave Artvin.
    Last edited by DarkSecret; 11-27-2020 at 11:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSecret View Post
    He had been killed though.
    Rest in peace

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    Smyrna/Izmir region

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSecret View Post
    The city is in Eastern Anatolia. When we talk about Northeast of Turkey we mean Trabzon, Rize, Artvin in Turkey.

    Ispir,Speri or Syspirius can pass as Northeast of Turkey.The local people of Ispir are genetically closer to Rize People.They are not iranian immigrants like the rest of Erzurum

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