Haplogroups in Italy

[Rocinante]

Yeah, I wonder how common R1b-M269 is in Italy. Probably not that common. But in general it shows North is mostly R1b/R1a and south is levant/North African shifted haplos.

Seems to be that if we just take North Italy as a country, it would be even moro R1b than the entire iberian peninsula. In average, italians have around 60% of R1b or even less, they have more J2, I1, I2 and E1b1. Also the U152 would be the Uber clade there.

[Adamm]

R1B is still the most dominant haplogroup in Sicily (south Italy):

[Rocinante]

R1B is still the most dominant haplogroup in Sicily (south Italy):

My sicilian grandfather is R1b, so makes sense that is dominant there, but still only 1/4 of the population.

[Adamm]

My sicilian grandfather is R1b, so makes sense that is dominant there, but still only 1/4 of the population.

Yes true, is your sicilian grandfather from the maternal side?

[Rocinante]

Yes true, is your sicilian grandfather from the maternal side?

Yep! From maternal side.

[Ethel]

Some R1b-U152 subclades

Z56 (Italic)


Z36 (Gaulish)


I don't know who made these maps, if anyone know please tell me so I can properly put their name here

[Rocinante]

Some R1b-U152 subclades

Z56 (Italic)


Z36 (Gaulish)


I don't know who made these maps, if anyone know please tell me so I can properly put their name here

Would make sense that Z56 had the Z36 map, right? i mean... Almost no gaulish clade in France

[Ethel]

Would make sense that Z56 had the Z36 map, right? i mean... Almost no gaulish clade in France

I think it's because Z36 is specifically cisalpine gaulish.
Another relevant one is L2 but I haven't found a European-wide L2 map, Wikipedia says its highest frequencies are found in:
"
Germans
Northern and Western Italians
French
Swiss
"

[Rocinante]

I think it's because Z36 is specifically cisalpine gaulish.
Another relevant one is L2 but I haven't found a European-wide L2 map, Wikipedia says its highest frequencies are found in:
"
Germans
Northern and Western Italians
French
Swiss
"

Seems to be that the most italic clade is the Z56, the most gaulish the L2 (is bigger than i thought) and the most germanic would be the Z36.

Also, another curious thing is how much U152 is in bashkirs.

[Ethel]

Seems to be that the most italic clade is the Z56, the most gaulish the L2 (is bigger than i thought) and the most germanic would be the Z36.

Also, another curious thing is how much U152 is in bashkirs.

Yes, no doubt Z56 is italic
I think both L2 and Z36 can be associated with gauls.
Why do you think Z36 is germanic? I think it correlates perfectly with the gaulish settlement in Northern Italy, maybe you've got this impression because there's a hotspot near the black forest?

Look at this passage, by Eupedia:
"This is probably the migration that brought the Italic-speaking tribes to Italy, who would have belonged mainly the Z56 clade of R1b-U152. During the Iron Age, the expansion of the La Tène culture from Switzerland is associated with the diffusion of the Z36 branch, which would generate the Belgae around modern Belgium and in the Rhineland, the Gauls in France, and the Cisalpine Celts in Italy."

I guess if Z36 were germanic it would be higher in Triveneto region rather than Piedmont and Lombardy