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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Hkan View Post
    Kipchak-Dingling-Saka + Siberian-Turkic identity.
    I think Kipchak/Kyrgyz people coming from Andronovo. Genetic and anthropological results are same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndarKhan View Post
    I think Kipchak/Kyrgyz people coming from Andronovo. Genetic and anthropological results are same.
    Yes, but sadly dogmatist want us to believe in the PIE nonsense. Good that there are still some European authors providing us with actual facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Hkan View Post
    Yes, but sadly dogmatist want us to believe in the PIE nonsense. Good that there are still some European authors providing us with actual facts.
    Well, Which cultures can we call proto-turkic? What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndarKhan View Post
    Do we have any informations which prove what are the Yamna and Maykop? Also, what do you think about the Andronovo, Karasuk, Tagar?
    The Sanskrit speaker conquerors in the Indus and the Ganghes valley came from the Andronovo culture for example, they were Andronovo Cromagnoids dominantly, their material culture were Andronovo and Andronoized BMAC origin. I think this the cementeries like this is a clear evidence:

    "Twelve skulls from the graves of Butkara II and four skulls from the settlement of Aligrama have been found. They belong to the Mediterranean type that is represented in Central Asia. B. A. Litvinsky (1972: 186) has underlined a remarkable resemblance between a series of skulls from Swat and the Saka skulls from the Pamirs which was first noted by B. Bernhard (1967: 317-385). It suggests a genetic relation between the two populations. Among the 25 skulls from Timargarha this type is represented, as well as a massive Protoeurpid type which was distinctive for the steppe Andronovans, a Veddoid (3 skulls) usual for the indigenous inhabitants of Hindustan, and a Mongoloid type (2 skulls) which might have appeared during Ghaligai period III from Kashmir."
    source: Elena E. Kuzmina: The Origin of the Indo-Iranians - Leiden, 2007

    So 32% of the Aryan conquerors were Eastern Mediterranids and 68% were Andronovo type Protoeuropid (this means the Russian term: Protoeuropid) in this valley.

    The another evidence is the strong linguistic contacts between the Ugric peoples and the early Aryans. There are lot of Aryan loanword in the Hungarian and the other Ugric languages from a specific culture, what was very similar based on these words, than the Andronovo culture and the southern neighbours of the ancient Ugric cultures was the Andronovan complex. No other option, that the Andronovans was the source of these Aryan loanwords.

    Etc.

    Basically the Yamna-Kurgan-Andronovan = early Indoiranians-early Aryans-Aryans lineage is the only scientifically tolerable option to this question.

    The Tagar culture is the direct descendant of the Andronovo origin Karasuk culture with internal evolution. The Tagar type traditons survived until the Hunnic expansion.

    The most probably proto-Turkic archeological culture was the early Xiongnu Slab Grave culture, since the European Huns were descendants of the Asian Huns and the descendants of the European Huns were the first Turkic speakers in Europe. So, if the Huns were Turkic peoples, then the origin of their culture was the proto-Turkic homeland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    The Sanskrit speaker conquerors in the Indus and the Ganghes valley came from the Andronovo culture for example, they were Andronovo Cromagnoids dominantly, their material culture were Andronovo and Andronoized BMAC origin. I think this the cementeries like this is a clear evidence:

    "Twelve skulls from the graves of Butkara II and four skulls from the settlement of Aligrama have been found. They belong to the Mediterranean type that is represented in Central Asia. B. A. Litvinsky (1972: 186) has underlined “a remarkable resemblance between a series of skulls from Swat and the Saka skulls from the Pamirs” which was first noted by B. Bernhard (1967: 317-385). It suggests a genetic relation between the two populations. Among the 25 skulls from Timargarha this type is represented, as well as a massive Protoeurpid type which was distinctive for the steppe Andronovans, a Veddoid (3 skulls) usual for the indigenous inhabitants of Hindustan, and a Mongoloid type (2 skulls) which might have appeared during Ghaligai period III from Kashmir."
    source: Elena E. Kuz’mina: The Origin of the Indo-Iranians - Leiden, 2007

    So 32% of the Aryan conquerors were Eastern Mediterranids and 68% were Andronovo type Protoeuropid (this means the Russian term: Protoeuropid) in this valley.

    The another evidence is the strong linguistic contacts between the Ugric peoples and the early Aryans. There are lot of Aryan loanword in the Hungarian and the other Ugric languages from a specific culture, what was very similar based on these words, than the Andronovo culture and the southern neighbours of the ancient Ugric cultures was the Andronovan complex. No other option, that the Andronovans was the source of these Aryan loanwords.

    Etc.

    Basically the Yamna-Kurgan-Andronovan = early Indoiranians-early Aryans-Aryans lineage is the only scientifically tolerable option to this question.

    The Tagar culture is the direct descendant of the Andronovo origin Karasuk culture with internal evolution. The Tagar type traditons survived until the Hunnic expansion.

    The most probably proto-Turkic archeological culture was the early Xiongnu Slab Grave culture, since the European Huns were descendants of the Asian Huns and the descendants of the European Huns were the first Turkic speakers in Europe. So, if the Huns were Turkic peoples, then the origin of their culture was the proto-Turkic homeland.
    Isn't Slab Grave Proto-Mongolic? I think we can't call them Proto-Turkic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndarKhan View Post
    Isn't Slab Grave Proto-Mongolic? I think we can't call them Proto-Turkic.
    Presumably not. No other option, since the Slab Grave is definitely early Xiongnu culture. But, the Slab Grave was a multiethnic cultural complex presumably. proto-Turkic in the western regions, and proto-Mongol and maybe proto-Tungid in the Eastern regions. On thing is very possible historically: the European Huns arrived into Central-Asia from the western part of the Xiongnu populated region. So the western part of the Slab Grave was presumably proto-Turkic. Maybe this was an ethnical background between the eastern and western Xiongnu political bodies in the history.

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    Turanid is usually someone of 89-99% European/West Eurasian ancestry who grows a beard and say "I'm gonna fuck you up". Put a half moon on his avatar and fantasize about Siberian women serving his Western ass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    Presumably not. No other option, since the Slab Grave is definitely early Xiongnu culture. But, the Slab Grave was a multiethnic cultural complex presumably. proto-Turkic in the western regions, and proto-Mongol and maybe proto-Tungid in the Eastern regions. On thing is very possible historically: the European Huns arrived into Central-Asia from the western part of the Xiongnu populated region. So the western part of the Slab Grave was presumably proto-Turkic. Maybe this was an ethnical background between the eastern and western Xiongnu political bodies in the history.
    Actually Xiongnu people were multi-ethnic. Turks, Mongols etc. Also, we know Mongolic and Turkic peoples didn't come from same origins. Altai Language family is discredited. Cultural and linguistic similarities due to strong interactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    Basically the Yamna-Kurgan-Andronovan = early Indoiranians-early Aryans-Aryans lineage is the only scientifically tolerable option to this question.
    This option does not even exist, either PIE or PT exist

    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    The most probably proto-Turkic archeological culture was the early Xiongnu Slab Grave culture,
    It's the proto-Mongolic culture. But nice try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndarKhan View Post
    Isn't Slab Grave Proto-Mongolic? I think we can't call them Proto-Turkic.
    It has been 1 years or something, blogen is well-known for his fair tales about proto-Turkic origins. According to him Turanids spoke Persian-related languages. Better do not debate with him. He is constantly getting lost in his own theories. He is also known as an Hungarian Jasz, who thinks his forefathers are related with people from Persian desert.
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