What is the subgroups of Turanid?

[Yaglakar]

Maybe yes. The great problem is the Eastern Xiongnu ethnicity. Basically we dont know nothing about this question. This is why the Hunnic-Xiongnu identity is questionable. But the correlation is clear with the Huns and Turkic peoples and the presumably ethnic border from east of the Minusinsk-basin Iranians (the European Scythians were Iranian speakers and they were direct descendants of the Altay Scythians based on the historical records and their total identical culture). So the Turkic homeland were somewhere east from the Minusinsk basin.

More like south-east of Minusinsk hollow. Localization of early proto-Turks:






They were probably more or less pure Mongoloids resembling today's Khalka-Mongols.

[Yaglakar]

Turkish language, unbroken state continuity through Seljuks and Khazarians, our bloodlines and recent genetic tests laying out similarity with other Turkic peoples are also Finnish inventions perhaps? Hungarians arent Turkic people btw

You forgot the Türks? It seems your delusional disorder has worsened over the past year and appetites have widened.

[Peterski]

Post morphs.

[Böri]

Yaglakar isn't Uighur but Chinese Communist Party spy making propaganda around. No need to take serious. Turks are Siberians, nothing to do with Chinese and Mongols.

Turks and Mongols were fellows who exchanged a lot. Respect for Mongols. Yet there is huge difference. Basic words such 'mother' (first word a baby pronounces after birth) or numbers from 1 to 10 are very different between Turkic and Mongolic or Sino-Tibetan. As different as from Indo-European or Semitic or Amerindian.

Turks are Siberian.

[Furkan19]

The Turanid race is a Cromagnoid+Mongoloid admixture. The original Cromagnoid component was the Eastern or Andronovo Cromagnoids, the typical race of the Yamna and other steppic Aryan and Ugric tribes.

The basic Turanid subgroups:
- Andronovo-Turanids (mostly in Kazahstan, but frequent in Hungary too)
- Alföldi Turanids between the Hungarians (heavily europoidized axmixture of the Andronovo-Turanids, the average Hungarian Turanid))
- Mongolo-Turanids in Central and Inner Asia (heavily mongoloidized admixture of the Andronovo-Turanids, common between the Kazahs, but the average Kazah Turanids are not Mongolo-Turanids)

Also we use the "median" term to the average Andronovo-Turandis between the Europoidized and Mongoloidized versions. The average Kazah Andronovo-Turanid is median. The median Turanid is rare between the Hungarians. the difference between the Hungarian Andronovo and the Kazah median Andronovo Turanids:



Mongolo-Turanids:



Alföldi Turanids:

What is the orginal Mongoloid component of Turanid? And is the Mongolo-Turanids that what is called Aralid?

[blogen]

What is the orginal Mongoloid component of Turanid? And is the Mongolo-Turanids that what is called Aralid?

Every potentical Mongoloid and Europo-Mongoloid racial character in Western Siberia and the Altay at the ancient times. The situation was clear: lot of Cromagnoids with a small Mongoloid infiltration: Uralids, Yenisei-type, Sayanids, etc. Later at the medieval times: the Sayanid, Yenisei Sinid and Tungid types dominated the Turanization process with the mass Turkic migration, as the basic Mongoloid races of the Turks (see the Mongoloid Avar samples for example!).

[Proto-Shaman]

What is the orginal Mongoloid component of Turanid? And is the Mongolo-Turanids that what is called Aralid?

The Mongoloid component of Turanid increased while Turkic tribes back-migrated toward Altai region during Bronze Age, also known as the Andronovo people. They were composed of Eastern European Hunter Gatherers and West Siberian Hunter Gatherers. 7.000 year old Yuzhni Oleni Ostrov R1a man from Karelia and 10.000 year old Alexandria (Ukraine) R1a sample, both cluster first with Oghur, Kipchak and Altai-plateau Turkic peoples.

[Zroota]

Nothing on this forum makes me cringe harder than ridiculous Turanid fetishism and usage of the term "Turanid" to refer to normal-looking Europeans with slightly squinty eyes.

This is what Turanids look like:

Agreed.

But this guy looks quasi Armenoid/Taurid as well and may pass in the west. The rest are all textbook Turanids.

[Furkan19]

Wait, wasn't the Uralid type partially Baltid?

[Blondie]

Wait, wasn't the Uralid type partially Baltid?

Uralid = Siberian + East Europid