Ancestry of Afrikaners

**Creoda** · 06-25-2021, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Joqool

That's interesting. So that's around 6 individuals. It shows that not all Afrikaners have SSA (Bantu+Khoisan) which is interesting. Could it be that some mixed a lot with the more recent Euro migrants to the point that the SSA score disappeared completely when its get to their generation? Do all of them have minor South Asian and Malay/Indonesian ancestry though?

Not sure but I don't think so. How they score in Vahaduo:

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**Zanzibar** · 06-25-2021, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Creoda

Not sure but I don't think so. How they score in Vahaduo:

Spoiler!

Thanks. I had a closer inspection and I would say its 4 individuals out of 30 who doesn't exhibit any African whether Bantu, Khoisan, Nilotic or Horner. It looks like those who aren't SSA admixed are a minority. Almost all of them except two seems to have South Asian admixture though.

Do you have any kits/results for the South African Anglos or other Euro ethnicities besides the Afrikaner?

**Creoda** · 06-25-2021, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Joqool

Thanks. I had a closer inspection and I would say its 4 individuals out of 30 who doesn't exhibit any African whether Bantu, Khoisan, Nilotic or Horner. It looks like those who aren't SSA admixed are a minority. Almost all of them except two seems to have South Asian admixture though.

Do you have any kits/results for the South African Anglos or other Euro ethnicities besides the Afrikaner?

Only a couple of British South Africans, but I think in general they came much later and hadn't mixed with Blacks/Indians to any significant degree.

Target: British_South_African1 - T281787
Distance: 1.6255% / 1.62545107 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.0 Flemish
31.9 Swedish
8.7 Swiss_Italian
0.4 Vietnamese

Target: British_SouthAfrican2 - FR8474570
Distance: 1.3248% / 1.32475381 | ADC: 0.25x RC
89.4 English_Southwest
4.1 French_Basque
3.2 Polish_Masuria
1.7 Chamar
0.9 Ethiopian_Gumuz
0.7 Papuan

Supposedly half English, half Boer: SL6584571

Target: Anglo-Afrikaner
Distance: 1.9171% / 1.91707183 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.5 Irish_Munster
30.4 Flemish
8.5 Lebanese_Druze
7.5 German_West
1.9 Yoruban
1.2 Velamas

Sometimes full Europeans get noise levels non-Euro scores anyway (<1%).

**Zanzibar** · 06-25-2021, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Creoda

Only a couple of British South Africans, but I think in general they came much later and hadn't mixed with Blacks/Indians to any significant degree.

Target: British_South_African1 - T281787
Distance: 1.6255% / 1.62545107 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.0 Flemish
31.9 Swedish
8.7 Swiss_Italian
0.4 Vietnamese

Target: British_SouthAfrican2 - FR8474570
Distance: 1.3248% / 1.32475381 | ADC: 0.25x RC
89.4 English_Southwest
4.1 French_Basque
3.2 Polish_Masuria
1.7 Chamar
0.9 Ethiopian_Gumuz
0.7 Papuan

Supposedly half English, half Boer: SL6584571

Target: Anglo-Afrikaner
Distance: 1.9171% / 1.91707183 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.5 Irish_Munster
30.4 Flemish
8.5 Lebanese_Druze
7.5 German_West
1.9 Yoruban
1.2 Velamas

Sometimes full Europeans get noise levels non-Euro scores anyway (<1%).

I see. I wonder if the 0.2% Yoruba that Afrikaner2 and 0.8% Maasai that Afrikaner4 individuals score could be just noise rather than actual SSA. In the case of the former, it me wonder that if you remove the Yemeni_Jew, would the Negroid score increase? Can you try other vahaduo gedmatch calculators to see if these 4 Afrikaners will still lack Negroid (I'm presuming you are using K13 Vahaduo run here)?

True, I think I have seen even some full Euros who score like 1-2% Native American in some calculators like Eurogenes K13 as well.

El_Jibaro · 09-29-2021, 01:00 AM

Fascinating people.

**Zanzibar** · 12-02-2023, 03:28 PM

Some models I run for Afrikaner G25 samples. Afrikaner76 and Afrikaner94 seem to be totally devoid of any SSA mix in the four runs. Meanwhile in the run with Portuguese, two additional individuals, #19 and #53 also seem to don't have any SSA input (whether Khoisan or West African/Bantu).

**Loki** · 12-02-2023, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Joqool

Some models I run for Afrikaner G25 samples. Afrikaner76 and Afrikaner94 seem to be totally devoid of any SSA mix in the four runs.

Very interesting. Samples 1, 18, 19 seem to have had one Portuguese grandparent. And 53 and 56 perhaps too. This is not surprising, since we have a considerable Portuguese community in SA, and they sometimes intermarry, as we are seeing here. From the former colonies Angola and Mozambique.

By contrast, the French amounts are not recent ancestors, but part of the early bottlenecked gene pool.

**Zanzibar** · 12-02-2023, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

Very interesting. Samples 1, 18, 19 seem to have had one Portuguese grandparent. And 53 and 56 perhaps too. This is not surprising, since we have a considerable Portuguese community in SA, and they sometimes intermarry, as we are seeing here. From the former colonies Angola and Mozambique.

By contrast, the French amounts are not recent ancestors, but part of the early bottlenecked gene pool.

I see. Didn't know about that. Do you know where in France do the early ancestors of Afrikaners came from? The French proxy I utilized is Occitanie which seems to be in the southern region and probably overlap a lot with Iberians, causing lower amounts than thought.

Maybe I should have used a more northern French population such as French_Nord or French_Brittany just to be certain.

Btw, it seems like in the run with Portuguese proxy, Afrikaner19 and Afrikaner3 also don't score any SSA input besides Afrikaner76 and Afrikaner94. Makes me wonder if the traceable amount of Sub Saharan (both Bantu/West African and Khoisan) which is less than 1%, that they score in other calcs is just noise or not.

What's also odd and fascinating is that when I run them using ancient populations such as Yamnaya, Early European Farmer/Neolithic, Villabruna/WHG, the number of Afrikaner samples who is lack any African input (Khoisan+Bantu/West African) now increase to 7 individuals (Afrikaners #21, 57 and 86 besides Afrikaners #19, 53, 76 and 94) up from 2 (in the run using as Dutch and French_Occitan source pops) and 4 samples (in the run using Portuguese along with Dutch and French_Occitanie) respectively.

Could it be that traceable amounts of SSA in these 4 Afrikaners are just noise rather than real input?

**Loki** · 12-02-2023, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Joqool

I see. Didn't know about that. Do you know where in France do the early ancestors of Afrikaners came from? The French proxy I utilized is Occitanie which seems to be in the southern region and probably overlap a lot with Iberians, causing lower amounts than thought.

Maybe I should have used a more northern French population such as French_Nord or French_Brittany just to be certain.

Btw, it seems like in the run with Portuguese proxy, Afrikaner19 and Afrikaner3 also don't score any SSA input besides Afrikaner76 and Afrikaner94. Makes me wonder if the traceable amount of Sub Saharan (both Bantu/West African and Khoisan) which is less than 1%, that they score in other calcs is just noise or not.

What's also odd and fascinating is that when I run them using ancient populations such as Yamnaya, Early European Farmer/Neolithic, Villabruna/WHG, the number of Afrikaner samples who is lack any African input (Khoisan+Bantu/West African) now increase to 7 individuals (Afrikaners #21, 57 and 86 besides Afrikaners #19, 53, 76 and 94) up from 2 (in the run using as Dutch and French_Occitan source pops) and 4 samples (in the run using Portuguese along with Dutch and French_Occitanie) respectively.

Could it be that traceable amounts of SSA in these 7 Afrikaners are just noise rather than real input?

The French Huguenot ancestors of the Afrikaners came from all over France, but a particularly large group came from La Motte-d'Aigues in Provence, France.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Motte-d%27Aigues

**Spöly** · 03-07-2024, 04:03 PM

Hi can you please send the kit numbers or results of the afrikaners you've been collecting? I've collected over 42 from messaging my DNA matches and I am nowhere near done. Your 30 will be a good addition.