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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    You just mentioned them yourself, are you high or what?
    No. I think Xiongnus and Scythians are another issue. I am talking about only archaeological cultures which without historical records.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndarKhan View Post
    This is a very controversial issue which i wonder it.

    Many Turkish historicians(Prof. Dr. İbrahim Kafesoğlu, Prof. Dr. Ahmet Taşağıl etc.) say Andronovo people were Proto-Turkic. Also Andronovo people were very similiar to Turkic peoples genetically and anthropologically.
    This is wrong in so many ways lmfao. Andronovo people were tested and this is how they came out (very non-Turkic):


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_Europe 55.73
    2 West_Asia 17.68
    3 SW_Europe 17.59
    4 South_Asia 4.08
    5 Siberia 2.47
    6 Americas 2.4
    7 Oceania 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Mordovian 10.44
    2 Russian 12.06
    3 Belarusian 13.22
    4 Ukrainian 13.46
    5 Polish 13.99
    6 Estonian 16.06
    7 Slovak 16.19
    8 German_North 16.64
    9 Lithuanian 16.76
    10 Latvian 16.94
    11 Swedish 17.14
    12 Norwegian 17.21
    13 Moldavian 17.91
    14 Slovene 18.04
    15 Tatar 18.27
    16 Hungarian 19.13
    17 Irish 19.81
    18 Utahn_European 20.09
    19 Scottish 20.11
    20 Orcadian 20.33

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.8% Lithuanian + 26.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.71
    2 70.4% Latvian + 29.6% Tadjik @ 4.77
    3 70.7% Lithuanian + 29.3% Tadjik @ 4.79
    4 73.6% Latvian + 26.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.79
    5 74.8% Estonian + 25.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.98

    So neither genetically nor physically similar, proto-Turks were Asian and here is a sample to prove it;

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberia 59.36
    2 NE_Asia 17.08
    3 Americas 9.89
    4 NE_Europe 7.88
    5 South_Asia 2.22
    6 West_Asia 1.9
    7 Oceania 1.37
    8 South_Africa 0.31

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Dolgan 14.89
    2 Koryak 17.77
    3 Yakut 17.81
    4 Tuvinian 18.73
    5 Chukchi 21
    6 Selkup 21.98
    7 Altaian 23.95
    8 Mongolian 27.91
    9 Eskimo 30.81
    10 Oroqen 34.03
    11 Nganasan 37.8
    12 Afghan_Hazara 43.88
    13 Daur 43.91
    14 Xibo 53.08
    15 Aluet 55.37
    16 Chuvash 55.48
    17 Nogay 56.92
    18 Afghan_Uzbeki 57.17
    19 Tatar 57.69
    20 Tadjik 63.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 57.7% Koryak + 42.3% Altaian @ 3.81
    2 51.4% Koryak + 48.6% Tuvinian @ 4.35
    3 61.5% Koryak + 38.5% Mongolian @ 4.36
    4 53% Tuvinian + 47% Chukchi @ 5.03
    5 53.6% Chukchi + 46.4% Altaian @ 6.45

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    Pretty close to Tajik pamiris and yaghnobis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    This is wrong in so many ways lmfao. Andronovo people were tested and this is how they came out (very non-Turkic):


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_Europe 55.73
    2 West_Asia 17.68
    3 SW_Europe 17.59
    4 South_Asia 4.08
    5 Siberia 2.47
    6 Americas 2.4
    7 Oceania 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Mordovian 10.44
    2 Russian 12.06
    3 Belarusian 13.22
    4 Ukrainian 13.46
    5 Polish 13.99
    6 Estonian 16.06
    7 Slovak 16.19
    8 German_North 16.64
    9 Lithuanian 16.76
    10 Latvian 16.94
    11 Swedish 17.14
    12 Norwegian 17.21
    13 Moldavian 17.91
    14 Slovene 18.04
    15 Tatar 18.27
    16 Hungarian 19.13
    17 Irish 19.81
    18 Utahn_European 20.09
    19 Scottish 20.11
    20 Orcadian 20.33

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.8% Lithuanian + 26.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.71
    2 70.4% Latvian + 29.6% Tadjik @ 4.77
    3 70.7% Lithuanian + 29.3% Tadjik @ 4.79
    4 73.6% Latvian + 26.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.79
    5 74.8% Estonian + 25.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.98

    So neither genetically nor physically similar, proto-Turks were Asian and here is a sample to prove it;

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberia 59.36
    2 NE_Asia 17.08
    3 Americas 9.89
    4 NE_Europe 7.88
    5 South_Asia 2.22
    6 West_Asia 1.9
    7 Oceania 1.37
    8 South_Africa 0.31

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Dolgan 14.89
    2 Koryak 17.77
    3 Yakut 17.81
    4 Tuvinian 18.73
    5 Chukchi 21
    6 Selkup 21.98
    7 Altaian 23.95
    8 Mongolian 27.91
    9 Eskimo 30.81
    10 Oroqen 34.03
    11 Nganasan 37.8
    12 Afghan_Hazara 43.88
    13 Daur 43.91
    14 Xibo 53.08
    15 Aluet 55.37
    16 Chuvash 55.48
    17 Nogay 56.92
    18 Afghan_Uzbeki 57.17
    19 Tatar 57.69
    20 Tadjik 63.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 57.7% Koryak + 42.3% Altaian @ 3.81
    2 51.4% Koryak + 48.6% Tuvinian @ 4.35
    3 61.5% Koryak + 38.5% Mongolian @ 4.36
    4 53% Tuvinian + 47% Chukchi @ 5.03
    5 53.6% Chukchi + 46.4% Altaian @ 6.45
    Nice. It proves that andronovians were barely east-asian influenced. Pamiris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    This is wrong in so many ways lmfao. Andronovo people were tested and this is how they came out (very non-Turkic):


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_Europe 55.73
    2 West_Asia 17.68
    3 SW_Europe 17.59
    4 South_Asia 4.08
    5 Siberia 2.47
    6 Americas 2.4
    7 Oceania 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Mordovian 10.44
    2 Russian 12.06
    3 Belarusian 13.22
    4 Ukrainian 13.46
    5 Polish 13.99
    6 Estonian 16.06
    7 Slovak 16.19
    8 German_North 16.64
    9 Lithuanian 16.76
    10 Latvian 16.94
    11 Swedish 17.14
    12 Norwegian 17.21
    13 Moldavian 17.91
    14 Slovene 18.04
    15 Tatar 18.27
    16 Hungarian 19.13
    17 Irish 19.81
    18 Utahn_European 20.09
    19 Scottish 20.11
    20 Orcadian 20.33

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.8% Lithuanian + 26.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.71
    2 70.4% Latvian + 29.6% Tadjik @ 4.77
    3 70.7% Lithuanian + 29.3% Tadjik @ 4.79
    4 73.6% Latvian + 26.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.79
    5 74.8% Estonian + 25.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.98

    So neither genetically nor physically similar, proto-Turks were Asian and here is a sample to prove it;

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Siberia 59.36
    2 NE_Asia 17.08
    3 Americas 9.89
    4 NE_Europe 7.88
    5 South_Asia 2.22
    6 West_Asia 1.9
    7 Oceania 1.37
    8 South_Africa 0.31

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Dolgan 14.89
    2 Koryak 17.77
    3 Yakut 17.81
    4 Tuvinian 18.73
    5 Chukchi 21
    6 Selkup 21.98
    7 Altaian 23.95
    8 Mongolian 27.91
    9 Eskimo 30.81
    10 Oroqen 34.03
    11 Nganasan 37.8
    12 Afghan_Hazara 43.88
    13 Daur 43.91
    14 Xibo 53.08
    15 Aluet 55.37
    16 Chuvash 55.48
    17 Nogay 56.92
    18 Afghan_Uzbeki 57.17
    19 Tatar 57.69
    20 Tadjik 63.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 57.7% Koryak + 42.3% Altaian @ 3.81
    2 51.4% Koryak + 48.6% Tuvinian @ 4.35
    3 61.5% Koryak + 38.5% Mongolian @ 4.36
    4 53% Tuvinian + 47% Chukchi @ 5.03
    5 53.6% Chukchi + 46.4% Altaian @ 6.45
    Genetic results of modern Turkics and modern mongolics:





    What is your reference about proto-Turks. Turks mixed Mongols in the history.

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