East Asian admix in Europe

[Kyp]

That's fine. Most Turks are much closer to Kurds

i know

[brennus dux gallorum]

@Hapanuwa

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-results-Afyon

You might find his results interesting

the link doesn't work but I know what you're talking about, as I have seen similar results. Still they are individuals, with more complicated background instead of just "western Turkish"

[Reis-i Cumhur]

these are individuals, not "the western turkey", and most of them are usually "half bosnian-half Turkish" and stuff like that

real western turks plot extremely far from Greece


The Greeks who used to live in west coast of Turkey was for the most part massacred by Seljuks and then ottomans

No Greek girls forced to sleep with horny turcomens but as you said greek men weren't as luckly as greek girls .
(At least those people weren't your ancestors).Same shit happened to turks when Caucasoid men raped mongoloid women

[Kaspias]

I didn't read what you are talking about but posting this to help



Anatolian sample dates to around 1400, Orthodox, Greek speaker from Anatolia. So he already has some actual Greek ancestry, but the ones who gets extra Mycen will be carrying more actual Greek ancestry.

[Rgvgjhvv]

the link doesn't work but I know what you're talking about, as I have seen similar results. Still they are individuals, with more complicated background instead of just "western Turkish"

I believe he is Western Anatolian with Yoruk ancestry. So still 100% Turkish

[Bornoz]

@Hapanuwa

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-results-Afyon

User Kaspias posted this before in his own thread

''These results tell us that Oghuzes are closest to Uzbeks amongst Turkic populations that exist today but it is actually a fake closeness. It doesn't mean that they are Uzbeks. Assumptions such as they have similiar Eastern Eurasian heritage can be made''

Situation goes exactly the same way. If Northern Italian and Armenian parents had a child, that child would plot so close to Greeks most probably but that does not mean that the kiddo is Greek. As I said it goes exactly the same way. Western Turks may have more actual Greek ancestry than rest but the difference would be so small. Western Turks plot closer to Greeks because they plot closer to Europeans.

We all had Greek or Armenian speaking ancestors at some point. Otherwise we would not have such genetics but it is a fact that Western Turks are the purest ones in the Anatolia.

[Roy]

It’s hard to say what The numbers in the map represent impossible to tell they probably represent an average of east Asian admixture since 1500 years ago but they don’t account for is Asian admixture older than that

The best way to figure it out is to have a 3 component calculator one for West Eurasian one for East Eurasian and one for African but the number of references for east Eurasian west Eurasian and African must be exactly the same Otherwise if you have more W Asian references they will pull the tested subject west if you have more E Asian references they pull the test subject east if you have more West Eurasian references they will pull the tested subject west if you have more east Eurasian references they will pull the test and subject east

Because of these requirements any admixture calculator on Gedmatch or G25 or 23andme etc etc will be useless for this specific task.

1- it’s impossible to figure out how much E Asian and W Asian is hidden under the various components

2- these types of calculators have more than three components

3- even if they happen to have only three components it’s hard to find one that has the exact number of references so that everything is balanced

That’s why the best way to figure it out is sample by sample using formal statistics

It is something that many - including me were not aware of it. You do provide interesting details here. So I guess there might be deeper hidden traces of East Asian admixtures.

[Rgvgjhvv]

User Kaspias posted this before in his own thread

''These results tell us that Oghuzes are closest to Uzbeks amongst Turkic populations that exist today but it is actually a fake closeness. It doesn't mean that they are Uzbeks. Assumptions such as they have similiar Eastern Eurasian heritage can be made''

Situation goes exactly the same way. If Northern Italian and Armenian parents had a child, that child would plot so close to Greeks most probably but that does not mean that the kiddo is Greek. As I said it goes exactly the same way. Western Turks may have more actual Greek ancestry than rest but the difference would be so small. Western Turks plot closer to Greeks because they plot closer to Europeans.

We all had Greek or Armenian speaking ancestors at some point. Otherwise we would not have such genetics but it is a fact that Western Turks are the purest ones in the Anatolia.

I think that same conundrum, however, is exactly why Turks plot with Caucasians. It's because of ancestry from either side. Greco-Anatolian influence mixed with Oghuz.

[Bornoz]

I think that same conundrum, however, is exactly why Turks plot with Caucasians. It's because of ancestry from either side. Greco-Anatolian influence mixed with Oghuz.

Yeah, true.

[Hapanuwa]

the link doesn't work but I know what you're talking about, as I have seen similar results. Still they are individuals, with more complicated background instead of just "western Turkish"

Just like Markos said, I'm Western Turkish with no ancestry outside of Turkey. My 4/4 grandparents are from the same village and both sides of my family say they're Yörüks. State documents show that all of my ancestors for the last 200 years are all from my village and have Turkish/Muslim names.

Btw this is my G25 K13 top 25:

Distance to: Hapanuwa
6.53516641 Turk_North_West
7.25663145 Turk_Central_West
8.18973138 Turk_Anatolia
9.03115164 Turk_South
9.93495848 Turk_Central_East
11.30796180 Turk_Burgas
11.38208241 Turk_Edirne
11.63338730 Turkish_mixed
11.86461125 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.05944858 Greek_Chios
12.09034739 Turk_Crete
12.94687607 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
13.27324376 Greek_Istanbul
13.74096067 Turk_Komotini
13.98699753 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
14.22097746 Greek_Andros_Island
14.52451720 Central_Greek
14.67988164 Greek_Dodecanese
14.81816790 Greek_Cappadocian
15.18119231 Turk_Cypriot
15.22834200 Sicily
15.32357008 East_Sicilian
15.39644115 Malta
15.44144099 Turk_South_East
15.45385389 Calabria