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    Quote Originally Posted by European Loyalist View Post
    Flemish I understand, but Afrikaners are a mixed ethnicity and have a completely foreign non-european culture. Is their right of return solely based on their history and their fluency in dutch?
    It should also cover Walloons as they too are a part of the Greater Netherlandic group of peoples. As for Afrikaners: it's more based on necessity. They are the victims of genocide in their own country so it should be the cousins that should help them out.. not their other former torturers: the Brits.
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    This does not go for Dutch citizens involved in a popular uprising against the government as an uprising is a signal that the government has lost it's mandate to govern the country.
    That won't work because the government in power will be the one which defines who is and who isn't a traitor hence all rebels would be rounded up and shot.
    Look at Syria for a idea.

    Flemish I understand, but Afrikaners are a mixed ethnicity and have a completely foreign non-european culture. Is their right of return solely based on their history and their fluency in dutch?
    The Baastards are part Khoisan so they're not Dutch. No half castes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    That won't work because the government in power will be the one which defines who is and who isn't a traitor hence all rebels would be rounded up and shot.
    Look at Syria for a idea.
    I believe that it should be enshrined in the constitution that the army (which should a conscription-based army) is the guardian of democracy and it has the right to act with force when a governments come even close to violating the constitution without any prior warning.

    If you would have a conscript army and an armed citizenry a government is powerless to act against a people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    I believe that it should be enshrined in the constitution that the army (which should a conscription-based army) is the guardian of democracy and it has the right to act with force when a governments come even close to violating the constitution without any prior warning.

    If you would have a conscript army and an armed citizenry a government is powerless to act against a people.
    Indeed, but what then stops an ambitious general from creating a military dictatorship?
    The people could rise up against him, but there'll also be collaborators who'll suppress opposition which would enable the subjugation of the army. Then the army would be forced into line under the command of the corrupt general with anyone who speaks out being shot or imprisoned. With the army you control the country.
    A few rebels in the marshes can't do much apart from sabotage infrastructure such as the dykes which would lead to flooding to hold back the military. This would provoke a backlash from public who'd loose their homes under the flood waters and hence they'd be no martyrs but would be vilified instead.

    Its exploitable and there'll always be someone who'll exploit it. I'll think up a solution tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Indeed, but what then stops an ambitious general from creating a military dictatorship?
    The people could rise up against him, but there'll also be collaborators who'll suppress opposition which would enable the subjugation of the army. Then the army would be forced into line under the command of the corrupt general with anyone who speaks out being shot or imprisoned. With the army you control the country.
    A few rebels in the marshes can't do much apart from sabotage infrastructure such as the dykes which would lead to flooding to hold back the military. This would provoke a backlash from public who'd loose their homes under the flood waters and hence they'd be no martyrs but would be vilified instead.

    Its exploitable and there'll always be someone who'll exploit it. I'll think up a solution tomorrow.
    Then I wonder why it hasn't happened in Switzerland yet where everyone goes into the army and has a weapon at home. I would love to wish a government or some general "good luck" with any little future coup because they would be dead before they have actually finished saying the word Putsch (coup d'etat).

    And then you don't know the Dutch. Dutch are no followers and they don't even salute their officers here much less obey them if they would have a bad idea. So either the general would be laughed out or bombed out of his new HQ.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    Then I wonder why it hasn't happened in Switzerland yet where everyone goes into the army and has a weapon at home. I would love to wish a government or some general "good luck" with any little future coup because they would be dead before they have actually finished saying the word Putsch (coup d'etat).
    Well there are peoples who embrace democracy and those that don't, I suppose most non-Euro countries and the South American whites give us an idea about the latter.
    Just because it can happen it doesn't mean that it will.

    And then you don't know the Dutch. Dutch are no followers and they don't even salute their officers here much less obey them if they would have a bad idea. So either the general would be laughed out or bombed out of his new HQ.
    Good.

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    I believe in jus sanguinis only, so nationality/citizenship should be based on bloodlines/ancestry I think.

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    Being as I am a born and bred colonial...my thought processes along these lines are Americo-centric.

    I believe in jus soli as it applies to my country, or to other countries in the New World.

    However, I respect that in other countries of the Old World, where ethnicities are more distinctive and easily discernible, jus sanguinis should apply

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhiannon View Post
    I believe in jus soli as it applies to my country, or to other countries in the New World.
    Jus soli is a mind-numblingly retarded idea.

    America should do citizenship like some Red Injun tribes do...if you're not a legitimate descendant from someone on the 1790 census...you're not a citizen.

    The small number of foreigners and people of foreign descent who actually demonstrate loyalty and patriotism (i.e. Dinesh D'Souza, some second, third, and foruth generation immigrants here) should be given full citizenship.

    But the vast majority of foreigners not at all.

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