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    Hopefully they will get independence from Indonesia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Hopefully they will get independence from Indonesia.
    Same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Hopefully they will get independence from Indonesia.
    Republic of South Moluccas,A Forgotten Nation.They now live as a Government in Exile in both Holland and America

    https://youtu.be/o3Fq1KVXdzc

    Another video about both South Maluku and West Papua,you see the two Seperate flags for both "Nations"

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcNA06DSbI&t=622s

    https://youtu.be/0TH3kxLB1Do

    Dont forget those colors,I know we havent over here in West Papua and Maluku..

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1019 View Post
    They need to find oil or gas there.
    They already have,especially in West Papua.That as well as GOLD.Freeport Mine is owned by either Canada or America,and is the Dire of the locals.America also got its hands dirty in East Timor,which is even shown in the Australian film "Balibo".

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VoXJZKz8uBE&t=2382s

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    http://www.michr.net/p2-the-tragedy-of-maluku.html

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    "These intermarriages between Malay and Melanesian peoples in Eastern Indonesia have also resulted in Melanesian peoples adopting many Polynesian cultural traits, which have been transferred to the South Pacific. Austronesian languages, is one example, and maritime knowledge -- from canoe building(3), astronomy, navigation, to fishery -- is another. In fact, I believe that it was the adoption of many Polynesian skills that enabled the Melanesian peoples to migrate and settle down in far away archipelagos in the Pacific such as Tahiti.

    Unfortunately, while the Melanesian peoples are the oldest, indigenous peoples in Nusantara (4), they are also the most culturally, politically, and economically the most oppressed peoples in this archipelago. This brings me to the focus of my presentation, which is the tragedy of Maluku."

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    Quote Originally Posted by KuakoVoice View Post
    http://www.michr.net/p2-the-tragedy-of-maluku.html

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    "These intermarriages between Malay and Melanesian peoples in Eastern Indonesia have also resulted in Melanesian peoples adopting many Polynesian cultural traits, which have been transferred to the South Pacific. Austronesian languages, is one example, and maritime knowledge -- from canoe building(3), astronomy, navigation, to fishery -- is another. In fact, I believe that it was the adoption of many Polynesian skills that enabled the Melanesian peoples to migrate and settle down in far away archipelagos in the Pacific such as Tahiti.

    Unfortunately, while the Melanesian peoples are the oldest, indigenous peoples in Nusantara (4), they are also the most culturally, politically, and economically the most oppressed peoples in this archipelago. This brings me to the focus of my presentation, which is the tragedy of Maluku."
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    " There is a popular belief among the people of Java and Sumatra, that favours a lighter skin colour. Centuries of European domination, as well as the Indian Ramayana and Mahabharata epics from India, which have been indigenized by the Javanese, are probably the origin of this 'pro-light skin' favouritism, as well as its opposite pair, namely disfavour of dark skins.

    In addition to this antipathy to darker skin colour, the Javanese also look down on peoples from the Outer Islands who live more closer to nature, such as the Dayak people of Kalimantan. The term 'ndayak ' in the popular Javanese language practically means 'barbarian'. So, combining these two beliefs, one would certainly not expect much appreciation to the highland or Asmat peoples of West Papua among the Javanese people. Popular jokes are also abundant in Java, about the hair body of the Papuan people (as well as of Caucasoids), or subtle or non-subtle references to apes, which are also darker skinned and hairy.

    Religious and historical facts also contribute to the low esteem of many Javanese -- intellectuals included -- for the Melanesians of Maluku and West Papua. Many Ambonese (5) from Maluku were recruited into the Dutch colonial forces, and their role in assisting the Dutch to crush the independence movement in Java and Sumatra had resulted in the negative nickname, "Belanda hitam " or "Londo ireng ", which means, "Black Dutchmen" to those colonial soldiers (6). As in many other stereotypes, the Ambonese were not the only Indonesian ethnic group to join the Dutch colonial army, or KNIL (7). However, prejudice of many elder Indonesians, who had been traumatized by the raids of the indigenous KNIL soldiers during the independence war from 1945 to 1949, seems to last long.

    This prejudice against the Ambonese is the strongest among Muslim Javanese and Sumatranese against Christian Ambonese, due to the stereotype that they all joined the Dutch colonial army, KNIL. Like all stereotypes, this is only a half-truth, since the first ethno-linguistic group to rebel and raise arms against the Dutch colonial forces were the Ambonese, under the leadership of Thomas Matulessy, also known by his title, Pattimura, and Christina Martha Tiahohu, who were both Christians.

    The prejudice of mainstream Indonesians from Java and Sumatra against the Ambonese was reinforced by the fact that the first 'ethnic' rebellion against the newborn Indonesian Republic also occurred in Ambon, with the declaration of the South Moluccans Republic (Republik Maluku Selatan , or RMS) on April 25, 1950, soon after the Dutch recognition of Indonesia's sovereignty in December 1949. This declaration of Central Moluccan independence was mainly triggered by two factors. First, uncertainties about the demobilization of the former Moluccan soldiers of the colonial army (KNIL), and secondly, the fear of South Maluku -- formerly a district within the East Indonesia state of the short-lived federal structure, the United Indonesian Republic (Republik Indonesia Serikat = RIS)."

    And lastly talking about the Religious discrimination towards Protestant Moluccans as well as referring to Protestant West Papuans

    "This second factor was predominantly strong among the Christian-dominated Ambonese elite (civil servants, teachers, and church personnel), who rightfully feared that the Ambonese would become a powerless minority within a Java-centred and Muslim-dominated Indonesian state. However, to avoid being seen as an elite group, the RMS initiators sought the support of the village chiefs (raja), and obtained that support from Ibrahim Ohorella, the Raja of Tulehu, a Muslim village which was also the main source of sago on the island of Ambon. In fact, the entire preparations for the declaration took place in Tulehu, to escape from both Indonesian as well as the remaining Dutch security apparatus' eyes (for the history of the RMS, see Chavel, 1990).

    The flames of hatred of the 'Christian Ambonese traitors' is currently being fanned by certain Muslim groups, who have popularised a conspiracy theory that the religious riots in Maluku were initiated by the Moluccan Protestant Church (GPM = Gereja Protestan Maluku), in colaboration with RMS militants from the Netherlands (8) and Megawati Sukarnoputri's Christian-Nationalist party, PDI-P (Partai Demokrasi Indonesia - Perjuangan)"

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    Tahitians are Polynesians, not Melanesians. I see in several posts claims that are unsubstantiated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankhammer View Post
    Tahitians are Polynesians, not Melanesians. I see in several posts claims that are unsubstantiated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankhammer View Post
    Tahitians are Polynesians, not Melanesians. I see in several posts claims that are unsubstantiated.
    That is one small mistake for an article that mostly tells the very obscure truth about Eastern Indonesia like Moluccas and West Papua.

    As someone who knows plenty of RMS and OPM and some Indonesian Politics,what the article says about the local reputation of both Melanesians and even the Tribal Austronesian "Mongoloid" groups is spot on.It even alludes to what I said on another thread about how the Maluku Civil Riots was Instigated by Islamic Outsiders.

    Is there any other "unsubstantiated" claims other than Melanesians in Tahiti?

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    Indonesia is basically an artificial country. The reason it exists is basically because the Dutch gathered all those islands which were culturally distinct, and ruled them as a single entity. By the time the duct left the basket was still left, which ended up being ruled by what the Dutch established as the capital, Batavia, now Jakarta. Other large continental countries like India & China, Russia are also quite artificial, with enormous continental territories being ruled by a single ethnicity. The reason India exists is because the British, if not them then the Mughals, unified the country, otherwise it’d be numerous distinct countries.

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