Ouroboros guide to Brazilian racial make-up

[Ranger0075]

'Brazil can be rich too" Why did you mention this country in front of Brazil? HDI doesnt mean wealth

It does with health and quality of life

Garcia D´Ávila, Ipanema(Rio de janeiro, Brazil) Its the most expensive street in latin America, not Buenos aires or shits like that. lol

I really don't think it is something to be proud of... but ok

[EL_BARBARO]

Why do Brazilians think it's cool to have a foreign name? Some Americans think it's cool to have a French sounding name, but not may people do it.

Like "Beaumont", for instance? Or Dupre?

[Sacrificed Ram]

Not really.

The data shows more Italians (way more, actually) in the last decades of XIX century and in the beggining of XX century.

[JMack]

Again you're interpreting wrong what I've said.

In the last decades of XIX century and beggining of XX there were more Italians. Of course if you take all the period from the independence to today the Portuguese are the most common. But the ''boom'' of the immigration was the last decades of XIX century.

Read the data, please. Even the first graphic you've posted shows more Italians than Portuguese.

[Argentano]

I have seen some genetic studies, but there's not a lot of Brazilians doing genetic tests. I don't know if they're trustable.

The big problem for average genetic ancestry for each region is that even inside some regions there are totally different populations from city to city. In some places in the North, for example, people can be predominantly Amerindian in one city and in the neighbour city almost 90% Euro because the latter could be full of Southerners. I have met people from the Northern parts with Southern Brazilian (German, mostly) background and many said that their cities are full of Southerners. People are moving constantly inside Brazil.

Actually, Brazil is the only latin american country with big genetic studies (Candela or Epigen cohorts).

And while i understand a north brazilian can be "white" and a south brazilian can be "black" there are clear regional patterns if we talk about average people. Some days ago i posted a big study done in Fortaleza (Northeast) with several samples used (1.500 from 5 different studies) and the people was very homogeneously pardo.

Same happens in a big study in Salvador de Bahia with most people being mulattos.

The southern studies tend to have A LOT of people scoring 100-80% european. The regional differences seem clear.

[Argentano]

People from Bahia are Afro tri racials, not mulattos. I have one studying in my class.

Yeah obivously i said mulattos because i meant peoiple with high SSA.


My point is that the average person in the north brazilian studies is heavily mixed and the average person in the south brazilian studies is heavily euro. That was the point.


If in 2 studies with around 3.000 samples (1.500 Salvador 1.500 Fortaleza) less that 5% is over 80% euro that means something. In the other hand southern studies have plenty of people scoring over 80% euro. And i am talking about the new big studies not the old shitty studies.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Read the data, please. Even the first graphic you've posted shows more Italians than Portuguese.

Ih!

[JMack]

Actually, Brazil is the only latin american country with big genetic studies (Candela or Epigen cohorts).

And while i understand a north brazilian can be "white" and a south brazilian can be "black" there are clear regional patterns if we talk about average people. Some days ago i posted a big study done in Fortaleza (Northeast) with several samples used (1.500 from 5 different studies) and the people was very homogeneously pardo.

Same happens in a big study in Salvador de Bahia with most people being mulattos.

The southern studies tend to have A LOT of people scoring 100-80% european. The regional differences seem clear.

Interesting. But I think that we need to know more information about the samples (because neughbour cities can have totally different populations). Most genetic studies that I have seen made in Brazil till now are totally bullshit. Do you have the sources of these studies? Sounds interesting, I would like to see.

And you're right, certainly way more people in the South can be considered white than in the North.

My personal estimative is that the ''white'' population (+ 90% Caucasoid) is around 80% in the South and something like 15-20% in the North.

We can made a comparison and say that South Brazil is like Uruguay racially, Northern Brazil like Mexico and Northeast like Dominican Republic.

Southeast/CenterWest would be ''Brazil'' properly. Divided in more equal proportions depending on the region/state (Goiás for example have been genetic tested and they are more than 80% Euro).

[Argentano]

Interesting. But I think that we need to know more information about the samples (because neughbour cities can have totally different populations). Most genetic studies that I have seen made in Brazil till now are totally bullshit. Do you have the sources of these studies? Sounds interesting, I would like to see.

And you're right, certainly way more people in the South can be considered white than in the North.

My personal estimative is that the ''white'' population (+ 90% Caucasoid) is around 80% in the South and something like 15-20% in the North.

We can made a comparison and say that South Brazil is like Uruguay racially, Northern Brazil like Mexico and Northeast like Dominican Republic.

Southeast/CenterWest would be ''Brazil'' properly. Divided in more equal proportions depending on the region/state (Goiás for example have been genetic tested and they are more than 80% Euro).

All this studies have a lot of samples, are new and have good amount of markers. Notice how Fortaleza and Salvador are very different from the rest.



Pelotas, Bambui, Salvador

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/28/8696/F1.large.jpg
https://www.researchgate.net/profile...-shows-the.png

Bambui, Minas Gerais

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...01&size=inline


Bapendi, Minas Gerais

http://i.imgur.com/ejMBYRc.png


Fortaleza

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...n/msw249f4.jpg

[JMack]

All this studies have a lot of samples, are new and have good amount of markers. Notice how Fortaleza and Salvador are very different from the rest.



Pelotas, Bambui, Salvador

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/28/8696/F1.large.jpg
https://www.researchgate.net/profile...-shows-the.png

Bambui, Minas Gerais

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...01&size=inline


Bapendi, Minas Gerais

http://i.imgur.com/ejMBYRc.png


Fortaleza

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...n/msw249f4.jpg

Nice.