WikiLeaks - your views

[Brynhild]

"This is lefty, it ain't no good"
"Don't do it, leftists like it"
"This is evil. Leftists do this all the time."
"Leftists support this, so this is wrong"



I shall name this behaviour "Reductio ad sinistram".

One more emphasis:

"Lefties are simply unable to think for themselves." YAWN

[Debaser11]

Well, if these last couple of posts represent leftist responses to others *not* in favor of wikileaks (or the political left for that matter), I think I rest my case. No argument, just empty retorts.

[Magister Eckhart]

Well, if these last couple of posts represent leftist responses to others *not* in favor of wikileaks (or the political left for that matter), I think I rest my case. No argument, just empty retorts.

It also rather proves that leftists indeed cannot think for themselves or produce any form of compelling thought at all.

It pains me to see because it can be used to confirm a larger part of the so-called "conservative" propaganda in US politics that the left is driven entirely by emotional knee-jerk reaction to everything and simply foams at the mouth whenever they are challenged.

[Megrez]

Now, sincerely, I don't see the reason for all this hype about WikiLeaks. This is hardly affecting my life anyhow. The only interesting thing come from all this so far is seeing how the so called democratic western governments steadily fuck the life of someone they dislike (Assange's arrest) - hardly any news for me though. The only ones thinking WikiLeaks is promoting some kind of revolution are the idiotic liberal/leftist juvenile types who watch too much "V for Vendetta" - as well as staunch rightist types who think any movement to open governments is a threat to security, governments should be above everyone and have power to deal with anyone they disagree with at its own discretion.
The only information WikiLeaks could publish that could affect my life, is that Germany is ultimately ruled form a cabinet in Washington DC, the Shoah was forged, and perhaps, proofs that the US military industrial complex lobbies to never end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. These wouldn't affect me as an individual, but rather have a change (for better hopefully) in the minds of the people around me, thus positively affecting my life. But this won't be published anyway. What is published is mostly political gossip, just enough for lefties to believe they can claim to know what's going on in the world, and righties to reinforce the importance of a close government with strict censorship laws. As I said, the most important isn't the informations themselves, but how governments deal with them being leaked - what they really stand for.
So, I see no reason to be a fan of WikiLeaks or consider Assange or whatever name behind the leaks a hero, as well as I see no reason to abhor WikiLeaks, since the leaking can provide proof to substantiate some claims, and will hardly have a negative effect in my life. After all, there's no truth worth being kept secret. I put Wikileaks on the same shelf where I put Greenpeace, for example.

[Joe McCarthy]

Well, if these last couple of posts represent leftist responses to others *not* in favor of wikileaks (or the political left for that matter), I think I rest my case. No argument, just empty retorts.

Anti-Americanism is the new anti-Semitism. It is the one prejudice condoned by the elites of European and Western states, hence it serves as a sort of exit valve for the populations of such places.

[Loki]

Anti-Americanism is the new anti-Semitism. It is the one prejudice condoned by the elites of European and Western states, hence it serves as a sort of exit valve for the populations of such places.

I think it is because of America's power and influence. Kinda like a school playground - the weaker boys gang up against the big bully whenever they can fire a shot from a safe distance.

I personally like American and Americans a lot. And I think the views held about the US can be overcome by the US amending some of its foreign policies. You have to admit that there is a lot of ignorance about the rest of the world among Americans, and it is visible. Guys like you who are well-read are in the minority. By contrast in Europe, everyone reads the daily newspapers and have a good idea of what is going on in the world out there.

[Joe McCarthy]

I think it is because of America's power and influence. Kinda like a school playground - the weaker boys gang up against the big bully whenever they can fire a shot from a safe distance.

I personally like American and Americans a lot. And I think the views held about the US can be overcome by the US amending some of its foreign policies. You have to admit that there is a lot of ignorance about the rest of the world among Americans, and it is visible. Guys like you who are well-read are in the minority. By contrast in Europe, everyone reads the daily newspapers and have a good idea of what is going on in the world out there.

You make valid points. At the same time, it only stands to reason that foreigners will know more about us than we do about them. During the reign of Louis XIV French fashions and culture were known by all, and the famously cosmopolitan French were comparatively ignorant of most other places.

[Eldritch]

You make valid points. At the same time, it only stands to reason that foreigners will know more about us than we do about them. During the reign of Louis XIV French fashions and culture were known by all, and the famously cosmopolitan French were comparatively ignorant of most other places.

Wow, you manage to make a virtue even out of ignorance.

Here's a little assignment in mental acrobatics for you:

People outside the US are interested in the rest of the world in general, not just the ÚS. How are you going to make yourself believe that that fact actually reflects poorly on non-Americans?

[SwordoftheVistula]

He's got a valid point, it even works the same within countries. Most Americans (and many people in the world) know a decent amount about New York City, but most New Yorkers don't know a whole lot about random other parts of the country.

Most likely it is the same in your country, with most people in your town knowing a fair bit about Helsinki (assuming you don't live there yourself), but most people from Helsinki probably don't know anywhere near as much about whatever town you live in.

[skyhawk]

It also rather proves that leftists indeed cannot think for themselves or produce any form of compelling thought at all.

Hogwash , how do you account for Albert Einstein ( ya know the Leftie thicko ), Karl Marx , Chomsky etc etc etc etc.?

It pains me to see because it can be used to confirm a larger part of the so-called "conservative" propaganda in US politics that the left is driven entirely by emotional knee-jerk reaction to everything and simply foams at the mouth whenever they are challenged.

It " pains " you to see how thick everyone with more of a social conscience than yourself is ? I don't think so Wagnerian , you see it like that because you want to see it like that. Everyone of the Left is stupid , incapable of independent thought etc , reality doesn't enter into it