I2a-Din in 900s AD Poland

[Artek]

I don't know what's so wrong with that. But obviously, it seems that to some people possibility of Slavic ancestry on straight paternal line is not so cool as Illyrian or Celtic and Germanic ;D.

But aside that, it will be more interesting to find out how exactly Y-3210 ended up to participate in early Slavic ethnogenesis.

Even if it comes from one lineage that originated in the Balkans at some point of history, it does seem that the carriers who spread it were Slavic speakers from the Ukraine(?). But who cares ;D.

Damn, I don't know why so many Balkan people from such forum as this are so obsessed with trying to be autochtonous from forever on, just like Indians.

[Jana]

I don't know what's so wrong with that. But obviously, it seems that to some people possibility of Slavic ancestry on straight paternal line is not so cool as Illyrian or Celtic and Germanic ;D.

But aside that, it will be more interesting to find out how exactly Y-3210 ended up to participate in early Slavic ethnogenesis.

Even if it comes from one lineage that originated in the Balkans at some point of history, it does seem that the carriers who spread it were Slavic speakers from the Ukraine(?). But who cares ;D.

Damn, I don't know why so many Balkan people from such forum as this are so obsessed with trying to be autochtonous from forever on, just like Indians.

Identity crisis, it is pathetic.

[Bosniensis]

I2a1b-Din is clearly of Slavic origin in the Balkans.

J1 is Arab in origin everyone knows that.

It's highly possible that you are Albanized Arab.

We have an evidences that entire Europe was I2 and are True Proto-European people

while we have undisputed evidences that J1 is Arab.

The fact that only Sardinians and South Slavs represent I2 people today (predominantly) we don't have a chance to challenge a BIASED Indo-European and Greek world.

[Kelmendasi]

J1 is Arab in origin everyone knows that.

It's highly possible that you are Albanized Arab.

We have an evidences that entire Europe was I2 and are True Proto-European people

while we have undisputed evidences that J1 is Arab.

The fact that only Sardinians and South Slavs represent I2 people today (predominantly) we don't have a chance to challenge a BIASED Indo-European and Greek world.

Actually my paternal line is originally more like Illyrianized-Levantine, Romanized-Levantine or even Hellenified-Levantine. My paternal line came into the Balkans before Albanians were a thing, either during the Hellenic periods or Roman periods. It was part of the Albanian ethnogenesis

[Vojnik]

R1a and I2a1b are both Slavic, yeah guys?







Or is it just assumed to be Slavic as most of it's carriers speak a Slavic language today?

[Kelmendasi]

R1a and I2a1b are both Slavic, yeah guys?

[IG]https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a.gif[/IMG]

[MG]https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I2a.gif[/IMG]

[IM]http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~klio/maps/rr/colonies.jpg[/IMG]

Or is it just assumed to be Slavic as most of it's carriers speak a Slavic language today?

No, it's Slavic or has origin in the area that Slavs came from because of the areas where it reaches highest diversity, TMRCAs and ancient samples

[Vojnik]

No, it's Slavic or has origin in the area that Slavs came from because of the areas where it reaches highest diversity, TMRCAs and ancient samples

So they dug up ancient remains in eastern Europe and found them to carry haplogroup I2a?

[Kelmendasi]

So they dug up ancient remains in eastern Europe and found them to carry haplogroup I2a?

The clade that is ancestral to the subgroup carried by Slavs was found in Sweden(SHG, Motala) so perhaps there was migration from this area into east Europe, but the I2a1b-Din samples have been found in Russia and Poland. Ancient Balkan I2 samples have all showed up as I2a2a apart from one I2a1a iirc

[Bosniensis]

R1a and I2a1b are both Slavic, yeah guys?

[IM]https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a.gif[/IMG]

[IG]https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I2a.gif[/IMG]

[IG]http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~klio/maps/rr/colonies.jpg[/IMG]

Or is it just assumed to be Slavic as most of it's carriers speak a Slavic language today?

I've figured that it's not our Haplogroup or anything they refuse to accept but that they have to denounce most of modern French, Germanic, Saxon people as barbarian invaders in case they recognize us.

It's easier to proclaim I2 people as steppe warriors who conquered Balkan, than to touch Majestic R1b haplogroup from Scandinavia.

Good question: Where are ALL I2 people from Gaul and Spain?

Answer: Massacred by those who today denounce Balkan people as Trash.

[Pribislav]

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