Cromagnids in Greece and Balkans

[xripkan]

I have noticed that there are various subtypes of Cromagnids in Northern, Western and Central Europe but what about Balkans? Does a distinct Balkan CM type exist? Or we can say that North-CM and South-CM types of other European regions like Faelid and Berids extend to Balkans?

[The Blade]

There is an East Cromagnid type in Balkans, Central and Eastern Europe.
However, Cromagnid/Cromagnid influenced forms present in Western Europe (Brunn, Faelid, Borreby, Paleo Atlantid, Berid) indeed spread to the Balkan peninsula, just like West Baltids do.

[xripkan]

There is an East Cromagnid type in Balkans, Central and Eastern Europe.
However, Cromagnid/Cromagnid influenced forms present in Western Europe (Brunn, Faelid, Borreby, Paleo Atlantid, Berid) indeed spread to the Balkan peninsula, just like West Baltids do.

Have the anthropologists given a name to the Balkan CM type? About the Western Europe and Baltic Cromagnids types, did they spread to Balkans during the migrations of late Antiquity and Middle Ages or these types existed in Balkan pennisula since the prehistoric times?

[Immanenz]

Have the anthropologists given a name to the Balkan CM type? About the Western Europe and Baltic Cromagnids types, did they spread to Balkans during the migrations of late Antiquity and Middle Ages or these types existed in Balkan pennisula since the prehistoric times?

North African Afalou type has cm / borreby like metrics but is not relates to Cm population. What does this tell you ?

[xripkan]

North African Afalou type has cm / borreby like metrics but is not relates to Cm population. What does this tell you ?

So you would say that there is no proper Balkan CM type?

[Faklon]

CM is another taxonomic mastrubation, upper paleolithic people differed from area to area and era to era.

NW "CM"/Borreby had large bizygomatic width and large head.

Large bizygomatic width in Greece is noted among Sarakatsani by Poulianos,

http://www.aee.gr/english/5sarakatsani/sarakatsani.html





That doesn't mean that they look exactly like Danish Cro-magnon.

Now, CM in taxinomic mastrubation is used for whoever has angular characteristics. Be it Berber, gracile-med or pure Australoid.

[Immanenz]

So you would say that there is no proper Balkan CM type?

WHG peaks in Baltic States and they are Baltid and Nordid... Balkanites are Neolithic and are on average more robuster than West and East Slavs who score high on ANE ( ANE was on average robuster than WHG, let alone Med people)- pretty strange right?

My point is i would not make too much connection phenotype with ancient population movements.

[xripkan]

CM is another taxonomic mastrubation, upper paleolithic people differed from area to area and era to era.

NW "CM"/Borreby had large bizygomatic width and large head.

Large bizygomatic width in Greece is noted among Sarakatsani by Poulianos,

http://www.aee.gr/english/5sarakatsani/sarakatsani.html





That doesn't mean that they look exactly like Danish Cro-magnon.

Now, CM in taxinomic mastrubation is used for whoever has angular characteristics. Be it Berber, gracile-med or pure Australoid.

I am far from being an expert in anthropology but I have realized that the CM is a broad category of UP phenotypes. This is why I opened the thread. I am wondering if there is one or more distinct UP phenotypes in Greece and Balkans.
I have also noticed that CM in taxonomy is used for people with angular characteristics but it doesn't seem wrong to me as far as I can judge. A gracile Med for example is considered smooth so a person who is very similar to Gracile Meds but more robust doesn't seem pure Med but affected by an UP phenotype, right?

[Faklon]

I am far from being an expert in anthropology but I have realized that the CM is a broad category of UP phenotype. This is why I opened the thread. I am wondering if there is one or more distinct UP phenotypes in Greece and Balkans.
I have also noticed that CM in taxonomy is used for people with angular characteristics but it doesn't seem wrong to me as far as I can judge. A gracile Med for example is considered smooth so a person who is very similar to Gracile Meds but more robust doesn't seem pure Med but affected by an UP phenotype, right?

No anthropologists afaik used a CM spectrum, only paleolithic varieties.

Classic-med is supposed to be an angular/rugged type, by anthrotard perspective it should look "CM".

I don't know of any research about paleolithic Greece but by Angel the neolithic of Greece is quite alpinized when the neolithic sites of the West (Coon, Lundman...) are more leptoprosopic/"med".

Also, a couple of leptoprosopic neolithic types are robust (Atlanto-med) when Steppe is very robust and tall lepto to mesoprosopic.

Smooth seems like mastrubation to my pov, gracile types would look more angular (more pronounced bones).

[The Blade]

Have the anthropologists given a name to the Balkan CM type? About the Western Europe and Baltic Cromagnids types, did they spread to Balkans during the migrations of late Antiquity and Middle Ages or these types existed in Balkan pennisula since the prehistoric times?

There isn't a specific Balkan CM, that's what I'm telling you.
All CM/CM-like forms here are present either in Western, or in Eastern, or in Southwestern Europe.
The migrations probably happened at several points of history (UP, Antiquity, Medieval period), as various peoples settled the peninsula.