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    Quote Originally Posted by Longobarda View Post
    Exacly THE CONTRARY. Ligurians were occupying a vast territory including a part of northern Italy, Southern France and Iberia up to Zaragoza. The were bordering the iberos territories and maybe in some cases they were intermingled. It is supposed that the ligurians arrived up to Cadiz, seen that in the goulf of Cadiz it exists a lake called LACUS LIGUSTCUS (Lake of the Ligurians). They possibly were Ambrones (german tribe) celticized.
    I have a question

    Do Occitan is spoken in Liguria? or in the past times?

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    According to this map, Gallo-Italic is or was spoken even on Sicily and in Basilicata.



    That's interesting. A Normand remnant or so?

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    L'Italia ha introdotto le regioni nel suo ordinamento giuridico con la Costituzione della Repubblica Italiana, entrata in vigore il 1º gennaio 1948, che agli articoli 114 e 115 prevedeva[1] infatti:

    « La Repubblica si riparte in Regioni, Provincie e Comuni. »
    (Costituzione italiana, art. 114)

    « Le Regioni sono costituite in enti autonomi con propri poteri e funzioni secondo i principî fissati nella Costituzione. »
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    Le regioni adottate con la nascita della Repubblica Italiana, in numero di 19, erano in gran parte gli enti territoriali del precedente Regno d'Italia denominati "circoscrizioni di decentramento statistico-amministrative". Uniche differenze, il Friuli e la Venezia Giulia che vennero accorpati nella regione Friuli-Venezia Giulia e gli Abruzzi e il Molise accorpati nella regione Abruzzi e Molise. Nel 1963 la regione Abruzzi e Molise venne di nuovo scorporata nelle due regioni Abruzzo e Molise portando a 20 il numero definitivo delle regioni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielion View Post
    According to this map, Gallo-Italic is or was spoken even on Sicily and in Basilicata.



    That's interesting. A Normand remnant or so?
    It could be. Normands were in Sicily and in Southern Italy by substituting the arabs (who lasted only 100 years). By the way, even if the gallo-italic languages (or dialects if you prefer) are more similar to the gaulish spoken in Bretagne (France), in Sicily those who brought those gallo-italic languages were the colonists Longobards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeWorshiper View Post
    I have a question

    Do Occitan is spoken in Liguria? or in the past times?
    Not really. Ligurian is a different Language but in Cote d'Azur there was a type of Occitan spoken together with gallo-italic.

    "Provenza-Alpi-Costa Azzurra: in questa regione si parla il provenzale (rodaniano, marittimo, nizzardo) e il vivaro-alpino (classificato da alcuni nel provenzale). Tuttavia nelle alte valli della Roia e della Bevera si parlano dialetti liguri alpini. Da notare anche alcune parlate isolate liguri (figun) che si trovano nel Varo e nelle Alpi Marittime: Biot, Vallauris, Mons ed Escragnoles. Il mentonasco possiede uno statuto intermedio tra l'occitano e il ligure."

    Moreover in Italy we have: "Piemonte: regione italiana di cui solo le alte valli (Val di Susa…), dette valli occitane, sono rimaste occitanofone (nord-occitano). Il versante italiano del col di Tenda parla provenzale. Nella maggior parte della regione si parla comunque italiano, piemontese, lombardo e dialetti gallo-italici.

    But a city in Calabria where they speak Occitan: "Calabria: Il comune di Guardia Piemontese, situato nella provincia di Cosenza, è una enclave linguistica, dove si parla un dialetto occitano di tipo vivaro-alpino, il guardiolo. Il 74,6 % dei suoi abitanti dichiarano di parlarlo correntemente. La presenza dell'occitano in questi luoghi si ha in seguito alla fondazione del villaggio da parte dei valdesi piemontesi nel XIII secolo. Il villaggio di San Sisto dei Valdesi (comune di San Vincenzo La Costa) è un'altra enclave linguistica."

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    Obviously French

    even more the diaects of French nearby northern italy and more over Piedmontese

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    north italians dialects (all of them except the Triveneto ones if i m not wrong) have the vocal sounds that you find also in french.. i mean:

    ö
    ü

    theese vocals are found in in their speach as primarly vocal

    here a collection of traditional italians songs in dialects, just clik to listen the ones of northern italy
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...lects-of-Italy


    most similar to french is this of the piedmont Alps:



    but thought all the others one of north italy, i i have to link a similarity is with french

    Rumagnol

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    for example in many north italian dialects some verbs end in -té.. like in this stornel: Canté verb ..that s similar to french

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longobarda View Post
    Il gallo-italico è un gruppo linguistico, classificato a volte tra le lingue italo-romanze, a volte tra le lingue galloromanze, a volte è segnalato come transizione tra i due gruppi. Queste lingue sono il risultato della fusione del latino volgare con un SOSTRATO CELTICO e LIGURE e con un superstrato GERMANICO. Notevoli sono pure le influenze francese e toscana, presenti fin dal Medioevo con varia intensità.

    Le lingue gallo-italiche sono principalmente diffuse nell'Italia Settentrionale in Emilia-Romagna, Liguria, Lombardia e Piemonte, ma raggiungono anche il nord di Marche e Toscana. Isole linguistiche alloglotte sono presenti in Italia Insulare e Italia Meridionale con i dialetti gallo-italici di Sicilia, della Basilicata e una varietà ligure parlata in Sardegna. Al di fuori dei confini italiani si estendono in Svizzera (Canton Ticino e Canton Grigioni), a San Marino e a Monaco.
    per quanto riguarda la toscana, solo negli ultimi paesini del Mugello a confine con la romagna tipo Marradi o anche meglio Firenzuola; lo so bene perchè mia mamma è mugellana e nel suo paese parlano toscano-fiorentino da borgata verace; anche se pure a marradi forse l intonazione è piu toscana che romagnola-emiliana

    nelle apuane solo dopo carrara.

    ci tenevo a precisarlo!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longobarda View Post
    It could be. Normands were in Sicily and in Southern Italy by substituting the arabs (who lasted only 100 years). By the way, even if the gallo-italic languages (or dialects if you prefer) are more similar to the gaulish spoken in Bretagne (France), in Sicily those who brought those gallo-italic languages were the colonists Longobards.
    Bretons from armorica aren't gaulish celts, but britonic migrants from the island of Great Britain. They are in same celtic group than gallish from Wales, but distinct from gaulish of Galia and from gaelics of Scotland and Ireland.

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