Guys, which language is more similar to the Gallo Italic languages?

[GiCa]

^ if anything at least those from Emilia Romagna have some ancient ancestry of some Boii gauls (who were from central east europe, aka: Bohemia) and also from the north east of france as the toponim of Bologna (emilia romagna) - Boulogne (france) points to

[Sacrificed Ram]

Celto-Italiota is a same language group, will be dificult to define what is influence and what is share because common origin.

[GiCa]

Celto-Italiota is a same language group, will be dificult to define what is influence and what is share because common origin.

of course but if we have to point a similarity it s with French

[Sacrificed Ram]

of course but if we have to point a similarity it s with French

Because french is a "creole" of latin with gaulish and german influence.

[Longobarda]

bella la canzone piemontese!

[GiCa]

bella la canzone piemontese!

È fellow Alpi piemontesi; direi quasi l inno tradizionale di quelle parti

Parla di una Bergera (e qui similarità col francese Bergère; perché in italiano diremmo Pastorella)

[Mens-Sarda]

Andando a scavare ancora più indietro, il Francese "Bergère" viene direttamente dalla lingua Germanica parlata dai Franchi, infatti se andiamo a guardare in Tedesco troviamo : Berger (pronunciare "Bèrgher") = montanaro, Berg = montagna

Bergamo (Bèrghem) = Berg Heim (in Tedesco) = casa sulla montagna

[Ouistreham]

Andando a scavare ancora più indietro, il Francese "Bergère" viene direttamente dalla lingua Germanica parlata dai Franchi, infatti se andiamo a guardare in Tedesco troviamo : Berger (pronunciare "Bèrgher") = montanaro, Berg = montagna

No. "Berger" is the French word for "shepherd", but it was not originally derived from Germanic Berg. Actually it came from some Low Latin root that (as usual in French...) was fucked up beyond any recognition. Possibly, at some point, some confusion arose with the Germanic root.

Bergamo (Bèrghem) = Berg Heim (in Tedesco) = casa sulla montagna

No, quite wrong. Bergamo was called in Latin Bergomum, long time before any Germanic tribe was seen in the region. The Germanic look of the dialectal naming Bérghem is absolutely coincidental.

I have a question
Do Occitan is spoken in Liguria? or in the past times?

Not really.
There is, between Monaco and Ventimiglia (in Italy) a transitional area between Occitan as it is spoken in Nice and the Western Ligurian dialect (it's called "Intemelian" if I'm not mistaken), which has also undergone strong Piedmontese influence. However this zone is almost entirely located on French soil.

[Sacrificed Ram]

The name of Pope is Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

His father is from Piemonte.

[Mens-Sarda]

No. "Berger" is the French word for "shepherd", but it was not originally derived from Germanic Berg. Actually it came from some Low Latin root that (as usual in French...) was fucked up beyond any recognition. Possibly, at some point, some confusion arose with the Germanic root.


No, quite wrong. Bergamo was called in Latin Bergomum, long time before any Germanic tribe was seen in the region. The Germanic look of the dialectal naming Bérghem is absolutely coincidental.

And what is a Berger? (at least in ancient times) is a person who spends all his time on the mountains to tend his animals. It's simply a change of meaning due to the place where the "Berger" worked.

For example let's take the English : Farm -> Farmer

The same example we can find in the Italian "Contadino" (farmer), it comes from "Contado" (countryside); in Sardinian "Massaju"(farmer), from Latin "Mansiarius or Mansionarius", a person who works in a "Mansio" (farmhouse, and also a kind of ancient motel / bed & breakfast) in Sardinian "Masu" (farmhouse); Mansio is also the root from which comes the French "Maison".



About the name Berghem, I've read that it could derive directly from the Celtic language spoken in that area before the Romans came.