Do you consider Turks and Greeks a different race?

[Myanthropologies]

they re both Caucasoid

anyway i see turks as predominantly white

They cluster with other West Asiatics though, and look it

[Leto]

You didn't answer the question though lol

Nah, I don't wanna vote.

[Myanthropologies]

This is a tricky one. Many Greeks and Turks can pass as the other, but the majority wouldn't. (But then, there are plenty of European pairings where the majority wouldn't really pass as the other, and likewise plenty of Middle Eastern pairings where that occurs). Greeks are European, albeit with more Mediterranean and West Asian admixture than most, while Turks are a Central Asian-Persian-Anatolian-Balkan-Mediterranean hybrid. In conclusion, they are pretty different, even though they can overlap.

Thanks for the answer. You've been to Turkey before too, if I remember correctly, right?

[Ujku]

hehe , guess my answer..

[Tooting Carmen]

Thanks for the answer. You've been to Turkey before too, if I remember correctly, right?

Istanbul, yes.

[Tooting Carmen]

With this being said, I'd still say that, at least once the Central Asian and darker Persian types are taken out of the equation, Greeks are still undoubtedly closer to Turks in looks than to most Europeans from Austria northwards.

[Pennywise]

From a genetic point of view, yes, they are very different. Turks have high central, western and south Asiatic admixture in their genepool along with significant Southern and Eastern European admixture coming from the slave trade of many White women from these places during the Ottoman empire. Greeks only have some substantial west Asiatic admixture coming from pre-Turkic Anatolia and the Caucasus, and they cluster the closest to Tuscans and other southern Europeans than to west Asiatics like Turks, Kurds, Persians and so on.

Slave trade during the Ottoman Empire had no significant genetic impact on modern Turks. Average citizen had no slaves, most of the of muslim folk of Anatolia (Turks in this case) had even single wives eventough multiple wives are allowed in Islam.
Predominant source of NE admix amongst the Anatolian Turks comes from Turkic newcomers, as we see that it has increased by the Turkic invasion. Anatolian Greeks score less than Turks, Armenians score almost %0 percent.

Greeks have much more European blood (defined as WHG or something like that) and they are culturally and geographically European. Turkey is linguistically Turkic, religion-wise Muslim and geographically predominantly West Asian/Middle Eastern (97% of the total territory). However, they are more European than other Middle Eastern people due to both proximity to Europe and the assimilation of a certain amount of Europeans (Balkan Slavs, Greeks, Albanians, etc.).

WHG is not the only component that makes people "European". The reason why Greeks score more WHG than Turks is the mediveal Slavic invasion. It changed the whole demographics of the region. Ancient Greeks were probably genetically more closer to Levantines and Pre-Turkic Anatolians than to other Europeans. Islander Greeks genetically significantly differ than them.

Regardless of the genetic mambo-jambo in this thread, Turks are not Europeans for mostly historical and cultural reasons. But we don't identify ourselves as "Middle Easterners" either. Turks have always been an Eurasian people.

[Myanthropologies]

Slave trade during the Ottoman Empire had no significant genetic impact on modern Turks. Average citizen had no slaves, most of the of muslim folk of Anatolia (Turks in this case) had even single wives eventough multiple wives are allowed in Islam.
Predominant source of NE admix amongst the Anatolian Turks comes from Turkic newcomers, as we see that it has increased by the Turkic invasion. Anatolian Greeks score less than Turks, Armenians score almost %0 percent.



WHG is not the only component that makes people "European". The reason why Greeks score more WHG than Turks is the mediveal Slavic invasion. It changed the whole demographics of the region. Ancient Greeks probably genetically more close to Levantines and Pre-Turkic Anatolians than to other Europeans. Islander Greeks genetically significantly differ than them.

Regardless of the genetic mambo-jambo in this thread, Turks are not Europeans for mostly historical and cultural reasons. But we don't identify ourselves as "Middle Easterners" either. Turks have always been an Eurasian people.

Thanks for your intelligent and well rounded answer.

[wvwvw]

You didn't answer the question though lol

Yes we are a different race, in that we have a different psychosynthesis and a different Karma.

Turks are descended from a multitude of peoples and races, while Greeks always have been Greeks since antiquity.

[Bogdan]

Different ethnicities with some overlap.