Whose language is euskara?

[Rethel]

Some new conclusions?

[Gota_type_]

Today´s euskera is ARTIFICIAL. It is called Batua and it has like 50 years old. It is a mix of several basque dialects mixed with Spanish.

Euskera is the oldest language with the less written records. It probably was just an oral language which makes it even more valuable since it has survived for millenia.

In the East of Spain, Iberian was spoken (before the Romans came), and it is closely related with basque language. Even more, Iberian is more related with proto-basque (aquitanian) than with the oldest basque dialects that exist today. Iberian is also related with extinct Tartessian (SW Spain) which might even be related with etruscan and other ancient languages. In every place of Spain there are toponymia that is "basque" but nobody knows why in places without any basque inmigration there are toponymia that is basque (mostly related with rivers, mountains, and old things like these ones). So, it is probably that in most of Spain (even before the celtic languages arrived) a kind of language related with basque was spoken.

[Ülev]

Some new conclusions?

Euskara is R1a language - proof ---> gixajo is R1a

[Rethel]

It is a mix of several basque dialects mixed with Spanish.

So this is the reason why it soudns like spanish...

[Gota_type_]

So this is the reason why it soudns like spanish...

Well, it is a bit different. It sounds like castellano but more harsh. Castellano (the neutral Spanish) was born in an área where euskera and romance was spoken, so Spanish was born as a consequence of euskera+latin, so it is probable that the phonemas are vinculated.

And it is also curious that in the north of Castilla, where Spanish was born, it has the most neutral accent and the sound is similar to Swedish language (I say this because I have Heard it and said: "it sounds quite similar"), and in this área, the visigoths lived initially for 200 years. In Campos Góticos (Gothic Fields). So, there must be something there.

The rest of Spanish accents are more musical, less harsh, not so elegant.

[Frowning Man]

As I'm not an anthrotard, I dunno what C, I, G actually mean. I just know I've recently (in July-August) been to Georgia and that a lot of people, especially in the Svan Country or in Mingrelia, reacted positively when I told them that I came from the Basque Country. "Then we are part of the same family" was what they often said.

The hypothesis that Basque is related to Kartvelian (or South Caucasian) languages like Svan, Mingrelian or Laz, in a possible Ibero-Caucasian family, first proposed by Georgian linguist Arnold Chikobava, and now abandonned, has still a lot of partisans in Georgia. That's why they treated me like a brother.

In my country, this theory is no longer believed as it used to be.
We are Mingrelians, Svans and Laz, they are Kolkhi, that is, Western Georgians.
In ancient times, Eastern Georgians were called Iberians by the authors. This is where the theory about the relationship of Georgians and Basques originated.
I don't believe in her.
Everything is too exaggerated in this theory.

[Gota_type_]

Euskara is R1a language - proof ---> gixajo is R1a

The R1a of Gixajo come from his father that is from Andalucía. It is his mother the basque. He is 50% basque although lives in the basque región anyways.


A proof that basque and old Iberian language are related (ie, most of Spain spoke a basque like language, not just the basques):

The "bronce de botorrita" is written in Iberian (with some celtic words), and it has been translated with BASQUE. It is the link that proves that basque and iberian are totally related and half of Spain spoke some kind of proto-basque:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronces_de_Botorrita







Transcripción​[editar]
A.1. tirikantam percunetacam tocoitoscue sarnicio cue sua combalcez nelitomA.2. necue [u]ertaunei litom necue taunei litom necue masnai tizaunei litom soz aucuA.3. arestaio tamai uta oscues stena uerzoniti silabur sleitom conscilitom gabizetiA.4. cantom sancilistara otanaum tocoitei eni: uta oscuez boustomue coruinomueA.5. macasiamue ailamue ambitiseti camanom usabituz ozas sues sailo custa bizetuz iomA.6. asecati ambitincounei stena es uertai entara tiris matus tinbituz neito tiricantamA.7. eni onsatuz iomui listas titas zizonti somui iom arznas bionti iom custaicosA.8. arznas cuati ias ozias uertatosue temeiue robiseti saum decametinas datuz someiA.9. enitouzei iste ancios iste esancios uze areitena sarniciei acainacubosA.10. nebintor tocoitei ios ur antiomue auzeti aratimue decametam datuz iom tocoitoscueA.11. sarniciocue aiuizas combalcores aleites iste icues ruzimuz abulu ubocumB.1. lubos counesicum melnunos bintis letontu litocumB.2. abulos bintis melmu barauzanco lesunos bintisB.3. letontu ubocum turo bintis lubinaz aiu bercanticumB.4. abulos bintis tirtu aiancum abulos bintis abulu louzocumB.5. uzeisunos bintis acainaz letontu uicanocum suostuno/sB.6. bintis tirtanos statulicum lesunos bintis nouantutazB.7. letontu aiancum melmunos bintis useizu aiancum tauro [bin]/tisB.8. abulu aiancum tauro bintis letontu leticum abulos bintisB.9. [ ]ucontaz letontu esocum abulos bintis

[gixajo]

Euskara is R1a language - proof ---> gixajo is R1a

My R1a comes from my Andalusian paternal line.

Who is Basque is my mother, and her family, and she is H1q2

[gixajo]

The R1a of Gixajo come from his father that is from Andalucía. It is his mother the basque. He is 50% basque although lives in the basque región anyways.


A proof that basque and old Iberian language are related (ie, most of Spain spoke a basque like language, not just the basques):

The "bronce de botorrita" is written in Iberian (with some celtic words), and it has been translated with BASQUE. It is the link that proves that basque and iberian are totally related and half of Spain spoke some kind of proto-basque:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronces_de_Botorrita







Transcripción​[editar]
A.1. tirikantam percunetacam tocoitoscue sarnicio cue sua combalcez nelitomA.2. necue [u]ertaunei litom necue taunei litom necue masnai tizaunei litom soz aucuA.3. arestaio tamai uta oscues stena uerzoniti silabur sleitom conscilitom gabizetiA.4. cantom sancilistara otanaum tocoitei eni: uta oscuez boustomue coruinomueA.5. macasiamue ailamue ambitiseti camanom usabituz ozas sues sailo custa bizetuz iomA.6. asecati ambitincounei stena es uertai entara tiris matus tinbituz neito tiricantamA.7. eni onsatuz iomui listas titas zizonti somui iom arznas bionti iom custaicosA.8. arznas cuati ias ozias uertatosue temeiue robiseti saum decametinas datuz someiA.9. enitouzei iste ancios iste esancios uze areitena sarniciei acainacubosA.10. nebintor tocoitei ios ur antiomue auzeti aratimue decametam datuz iom tocoitoscueA.11. sarniciocue aiuizas combalcores aleites iste icues ruzimuz abulu ubocumB.1. lubos counesicum melnunos bintis letontu litocumB.2. abulos bintis melmu barauzanco lesunos bintisB.3. letontu ubocum turo bintis lubinaz aiu bercanticumB.4. abulos bintis tirtu aiancum abulos bintis abulu louzocumB.5. uzeisunos bintis acainaz letontu uicanocum suostuno/sB.6. bintis tirtanos statulicum lesunos bintis nouantutazB.7. letontu aiancum melmunos bintis useizu aiancum tauro [bin]/tisB.8. abulu aiancum tauro bintis letontu leticum abulos bintisB.9. [ ]ucontaz letontu esocum abulos bintis

1-Contrabia Belaisca(Botorrita) was a neighbouring city of Vascon zones(Alaun or Calagurris.)

2-Botorrita bronzes are supposed to be arbitration resolutions of disputes between neighboring cities. They should be exposed in public places, in all the cities related to the litigation. So if the dispute was with a neighboring Vascon city, and it had another language, even if Contrebia did not use the vascon language, it would have the vascon language in its bronze.(better the language used by Vascons, it could be the same that celtiberians used)

3-The only bronze translated accurately, is one written in Latin, the rest (have a little to translate, basically they are lists of people's names).

4-Many interpretations have been proposed, using different known languages ​​as an aid to aid in their translation. Basque is one more of those auxiliary languages ​​used, that interpretation using Basque as an auxiliary, is one more among many, which does not mean that Celtiberian and Basque are similar.(although everything seems to indicate that they were probably closely related.)

I think that nowadays Basque was related with prerroman languages used in the Iberian peninsula, but Botorrita Bronzes cannot demonstrate it.(in a way as definitive as it should be to be considered something totally true)

I opine also, that the "vasconización tardía" hypothesis is quite true also, and that that is the reason because Basque is spoken in Basque Country peninsula nowadays. The reduct of proto-Basque language was Aquitania (that was always related with Iberian and Iberians in Roman texts)at least one of proto-basque languages that existed, related with Iberian celtiberian languages but not exactly the same, and after the fall of Rome, they settled in the current Basque country and north of Navarre, displacing or mixing with local population, which by then would be mostly Romance speakers (although genetically very similar to the Aquitaine people).

And Euskera is not an artificial language strictally (as Esperanto is), Euskera batua could be considered as "artificial" but the word that defines it is "unified".People that use Euskera in their daily life, use the dialect of their areas. Batua is formed by a grammar and vocabulary selected among different dialects, so that any speaker of any Basque dialect can understand it.

[gixajo]

In short, for me Basque (genetically) and Iberian are the same. Only the current Basques have less foreign mix than the rest of the peninsulars. But the majority base is common. And that shared common base (except in individuals with recent foreign genetic contribution) is between 80 and 95%.

I am speaking about those considered "pure" basques genetically, that just now could be about 30% of the whole population of Basque Country and Navarre in Spain, and maybe the 10-15% of the whole population of Aquitaine.