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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowning Man View Post
    In my country, this theory is no longer believed as it used to be.
    We are Mingrelians, Svans and Laz, they are Kolkhi, that is, Western Georgians.
    In ancient times, Eastern Georgians were called Iberians by the authors. This is where the theory about the relationship of Georgians and Basques originated.
    I don't believe in her.
    Everything is too exaggerated in this theory.
    As a caucasian speaker, do you see any resemblance between kartvelian and basque languages, and between kartvelian and other caucasian languages?

    Couple of days ago, I heard Kadyrow in chechen. It sounded more like chinese, than georgian. Even not like dagestani languages which sounds more hard, like semitic.

    But of course, sounding is one thing, and relation another. Do you see any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Only the current Basques have less foreign mix than the rest of the peninsulars
    It depends what you mean as foreigners, because in the case of Basques, they have more IEs than the rest.
    Basques up to 80-90%, rest of the penninsula around 65%. A huge difference.

    I am speaking about those considered "pure" basques genetically,
    No pure ones becasue as above. And none is pure WHG either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    And Euskera is not an artificial language strictally (as Esperanto is), Euskera batua could be considered as "artificial" but the word that defines it is "unified".People that use Euskera in their daily life, use the dialect of their areas. Batua is formed by a grammar and vocabulary selected among different dialects, so that any speaker of any Basque dialect can understand it.
    Do you speak it, or do you speak also some dialect?
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    I said "today´s basque is artifical" in the sense that it only uses SOME of the dialects and they have made a mix that privileges some of the dialects over the others, so, it is not real old euskera, it should be noted as the real euskera spoken in a certain área (creo que es Vizcaya) but not the euskera spoken in let´s say in the north of Navarra. But, yes, I should have used "unified" as the proper adjetive (I am not used to that word that you probably hear more when dealing with basque language things). Everyone knows that basque is the oldest language in western Europa and it is something to be proud about it (aunq se deberían descartar los politiqueos pues solo sirven para excluir).

    Los bronces de Botorrita son una serie de planchas de bronce del siglo I a. C. encontradas en Contrebia Belaisca, en Cabezo de las Minas, cerca de la actual Botorrita, en las proximidades de Zaragoza. Zona íbera o celtíbera, obviamente con vinculaciones "vascas" pues en aquellas épocas el euskera llegaba casi hasta Cataluña (por la parte del Pirineo).

    Si la mayoría de los vascos son R1b DF27, al igual q la mayoría de los que habitan en la zona donde se hablaba el antiguo íbero, está claro que son grupos poblacionales vinculados y hermanados (tb con el resto de España, pero no hay una prueba lingüística tan clara por aquello de la llegada de los celtas más bien al Oeste y Norte de España). Así que el hecho de q se pueda traducir el bronce de botorrita con el aquitano, ya prueba q había demasiadas coincidencias entre lenguas. Y posiblemente los habitantes de toda la Península (antes de los celtas) y posiblemente de otras zonas de Europa, hablarían un lenguaje no muy diferente al íbero o al euskera. Baste ver que hay topónimos de ríos o montes, incluso en Avila o Granada que son claramente vinculados a algo en euskera.

    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    1-Contrabia Belaisca(Botorrita) was a neighbouring city of Vascon zones(Alaun or Calagurris.)

    2-Botorrita bronzes are supposed to be arbitration resolutions of disputes between neighboring cities. They should be exposed in public places, in all the cities related to the litigation. So if the dispute was with a neighboring Vascon city, and it had another language, even if Contrebia did not use the vascon language, it would have the vascon language in its bronze.(better the language used by Vascons, it could be the same that celtiberians used)

    3-The only bronze translated accurately, is one written in Latin, the rest (have a little to translate, basically they are lists of people's names).

    4-Many interpretations have been proposed, using different known languages ​​as an aid to aid in their translation. Basque is one more of those auxiliary languages ​​used, that interpretation using Basque as an auxiliary, is one more among many, which does not mean that Celtiberian and Basque are similar.(although everything seems to indicate that they were probably closely related.)

    I think that nowadays Basque was related with prerroman languages used in the Iberian peninsula, but Botorrita Bronzes cannot demonstrate it.(in a way as definitive as it should be to be considered something totally true)

    I opine also, that the "vasconización tardía" hypothesis is quite true also, and that that is the reason because Basque is spoken in Basque Country peninsula nowadays. The reduct of proto-Basque language was Aquitania (that was always related with Iberian and Iberians in Roman texts)at least one of proto-basque languages that existed, related with Iberian celtiberian languages but not exactly the same, and after the fall of Rome, they settled in the current Basque country and north of Navarre, displacing or mixing with local population, which by then would be mostly Romance speakers (although genetically very similar to the Aquitaine people).

    And Euskera is not an artificial language strictally (as Esperanto is), Euskera batua could be considered as "artificial" but the word that defines it is "unified".People that use Euskera in their daily life, use the dialect of their areas. Batua is formed by a grammar and vocabulary selected among different dialects, so that any speaker of any Basque dialect can understand it.

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