Whose language is euskara?

[Cristiano viejo]

R1b are Indoeuropeans;
the language is a remain of other
people who originally spoke it.

Interesting (and crazy) theory... that you can not prove.

West Europe is already full of that, R1Bashirks from Bashkortostan - predecessors of Basque people
just listen - Bashkirs = Basques

and look here:

So according you Basques are a luck of semi-Asians or something so, right?

[Rethel]

just listen - Bashkirs = Basques

This is quite interesting, and I pay my attention to this quite long ago.
It can be just some name used by R1b people, which remained among
R1b people - or rather was brought by them, when they themselves
changed their language. Coincidence is very unprobable. The interesting
fact is also, that both groups do not speak IE - but also do not speak one
and the same language, and both are on the borderline of IE settlement.
Additional factor can be redheadness, but on the west it survived quite
more on the north, what suggest, that in Basque case the name was
brought but R1b men, but in Baszkir case - can be a remain of the older
original R1b settlement - in both case language is a result of too long
childhood of the men sticking to their chidlish pantywaistic slang.

[Mens-Sarda]

I suppose I2 in origin, the pre-Roman language of Sardinia was supposedly related with Basque. Basques somehow managed to preserve their language but they inevitably mixed with the surrounding IE people, so they are now mostly R1b; Sardinians instead due to geographic isolation didn't mix too much with other peoples (39,5% of Sardinians are I2), but we lost our pre-IE language during the Roman occupation.

Haplogroup I is the oldest major haplogroup in Europe and in all probability the only one that originated there. The modern Sardinians and Basques inherited the biggest share of their genome from those Neolithic farmers from the Printed-Cardium Pottery culture.

Haplogroup I2a1a1 (M26)
I2a1a (M26, L158, L159.1/S169.1) was known as I1b2 until 2005, I1b1b in 2006-7, and I2a1 from 2008 to 2010. It is found in all Western Europe, and reaches maximum frequencies among the Sardinians (37.5%) and the Basques (5%), two population isolates. M26 is geographically restricted to the British Isles, the Low Countries, France, western Germany, Switzerland, Sardinia, Sicily, the west coast of Italy, Iberia and the Mediterranean coast of the Maghreb. The only M26 negative for the L160 mutation are confined to Ireland.



Haplogroup I2 is the most common paternal lineage in former Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria and Sardinia, and a major lineage in most Slavic countries. Its maximum frequencies are observed in Bosnia (55%, including 71% in Bosnian Croats), Sardinia (39.5%), Croatia (38%), Serbia (33%), Montenegro (31%), Romania (28%), Moldova (24%), Macedonia (24%), Slovenia (22%), Bulgaria (22%), Belarus (18.5%), Hungary (18%), Slovakia (17.5%), Ukraine (13.5%), and Albania (13.5%). It is found at a frequency of 5 to 10% in Germanic countries.

[Ülev]

source: http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=5629

and R1a was once more western than today ---> R1a-L664 is essentially Northwest European, found chiefly in West Germany, the Low Countries and the British Isles http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...1a_Y-DNA.shtml

[Rethel]

Interesting (and crazy) theory... that you can not prove.

Look at my map in my signature. Half of this points if not more, are R1b.
The oldest are from Russia, Latvia, Ukraine and Tatarstan. The trek to
the Spain is the mark of old V88 migration to Africa. In that time whole
West Europe, especially Spain was settled by C1, I2 and later G2 people.

I don;t uderstand - you are on TA five years, and you do not know this?

I did get it 10 years ago, not having the access to such forums, becasue
I did not know the english, but it was the most resonable conclusion from
the historical, archeological and genetic knowlegde which I had. Now it is
proved beyond the boldest imagination back then.

[Cristiano viejo]

Look at my map in my signature. Half of this point of not more, are R1b.
The oldest are from Russia, Latvia, Ukraine and Tatarstan. The trek to
the Spain is a mark of old V88 migration to Africa. In that time whole
West Europe, especially spain was settled by C1, I2 and later G2 people.

I don;t uderstand - you are on TA five years, and you do not know this?

I did get it 10 years ago, not having the access to such forums, becasue
I did not know the english, but it was the most resonable conclusion from
the historical, archeological and genetic knowlegde which I had. Now it is
proved beyond the boldest imagination back then.

Yeah, we all know TA is an unparalleled source of knowledge

[Ülev]

source: http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=5629

and R1a was once more western than today ---> R1a-L664 is essentially Northwest European, found chiefly in West Germany, the Low Countries and the British Isles http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...1a_Y-DNA.shtml

and IJ came from Asia, Persia & around

In addition, living examples of the precursor Haplogroup IJ* have been found only in Iran, among the Mazandarani and ethnic Persians from Fars.[5] This may indicate that IJ originated in South West Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170

[Ülev]

R1a & R1b = Æsir & Vanir

[Ülev]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86...80%93Vanir_War

this is why R1a is more eastern and R1b more western today

[brennus dux gallorum]

R1b are Indoeuropeans;
the language is a remain of other
people who originally spoke it.

R1b is not indoeuropean

it's megalithic/Aquitani