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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    Arabic was created for the Quran, not vice versa.
    Narrated Ibn Abbas:
    The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:
    'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).
    When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael) tossing in agony; She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times."
    The Prophet said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, 'O, (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?" And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zam-zam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it."
    The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.
    After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).
    Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'
    Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing."
    Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guarani View Post
    but they are fear of be killed, so they are crypto Christians
    Be crypto christian is be heretical:

    "But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven." - Matthew 10:33

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    While I believe Christianity is bad for White people's spiritual life, I have to admit our people made a great job at europeanizing the religion to our favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    that was the proto Arabic spoken in Nabatea, Thamud, etc. Not the Quranic Arabic from the 7th century

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    Be crypto christian is be heretical:

    "But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven." - Matthew 10:33
    Somali Christians are usually outcasts or schizophrenics or love-sick women...outside Somalia. In Somalia, no. Even with no government authority you cannot come and proseltyze your kafir religions there in comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyladybutterfly View Post
    Arabic is a beautiful language. too bad that many Arabic teachers focus on islam and try to convert you
    yeah, nothing more annoying than people trying to convert you in a ideology that you don't has interest

    not just Islam but other relgions too

    if a person want to be a part of a certain religion or ideology, he should enter at this by free will and not the interference of others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    So , seriously .. I see many christian members or atheists here mock Muslim Europeans for following a so called (Arab religion)..

    seriously !

    your countries follow a middle eastern religion also (Christianity) .. a religion appeared in the middle east , jesus was born in middle east ..YOU WORSHIP A MIDDLE EASTERN MAAAAAAAN

    MIDDLE EAST MIDDLE EAST MIDDLE EAST.

    got it?

    How many times are you going to repeat it?

    1. Middleeastenerness means nothing. There is no such nation or state.
    2. Jesus is the Son of God - he is from beyond this World, he preexisted in heaven, and he did not favorize any nation.
    3. True Christians do not worship him, but follow him.
    4. We do not have to learn any language as you, nether dress in funny style.
    5. Christianity was spread as an universal religion since the beginning.
    6. We do not have to pray to some particular nation on earth like you.
    7. Christianity actually is the denationalization per se - becasue is universal and since
    the begining cutted of everything what was jewish. Hebrewrooters are apostates.
    8. Since thousands of years, Christianity is actualy European, not Middle eastern. It is even called on the
    other continents a religion of the white man - not Middle Eastern man, becasue has nothing to do with that.
    9. Christianity has it's own differences in many nations like Ethiopia, Egypt, Armenia, Russia, India,
    Georgia aso. Everywhere is culturaly different, because has none common national level at any point.
    10. Islam on the other hand erised as a Arabic political ideology.
    11. Was spread by the state, by the sword.
    12. Was a tool for Arab Empire to govern such people like you.
    13. At the beginning they did not even wanted to convert other people.
    14. Since the beginning of conversions, people were automatically arabized.
    15. Such dishonourable people like your nation are an example of that - you can't
    even speak your own language, and you think that you are Arab Republic... Republic
    of less than 1/5 of the population which did colonized you and slaughtered like pigs or
    even worse from 15 mln to bearly less than one...
    16. You must read in foreign language your book.
    17. You must pray in foreign language.
    18. You must dress like foreigners.
    19. You must have customs like foreigners.
    20. You must sit on the flor like animals - like foreigners.
    21. You must pray to foreign country.
    22. You must have foreign names.
    23. You must belive in foreign fairy tails.
    24. You must belive in foreign superstitions.
    25. Your main teacher is a foreigner.
    26. You had to bow down to the foreign empire.
    27. And all of this is... A R A B I C.

    If you do not see a difference between Christians and Muslims, then
    it can only witness about famous islamic intelectual weakness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    So , seriously .. I see many christian members or atheists here mock Muslim Europeans for following a so called (Arab religion).. your countries follow a middle eastern religion also (Christianity) .. a religion appeared in the middle east , jesus was born in middle east ..YOU WORSHIP A MIDDLE EASTERN MAAAAAAAN
    Christianity is not a Middle Eastern religion. It's actually as western as it can possibly get. Is Bosnian Islam anything like Arabian or Berber Islam? Not at all. Is European Christianity anything like the Christianity of Coptic Egyptians, Chinese converts or Bolivian Catholics? Fuck no. Are the Mozambique Christians that set fire to thieves in tyres or murder people for being vampires anything like European Christianity? Fuck no.

    A religion is the product of its people. We could be any variety of religion and Europe would largely be the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyptian View Post
    So , seriously .. I see many christian members or atheists here mock Muslim Europeans for following a so called (Arab religion)..

    seriously !

    your countries follow a middle eastern religion also (Christianity) .. a religion appeared in the middle east , jesus was born in middle east ..YOU WORSHIP A MIDDLE EASTERN MAAAAAAAN

    MIDDLE EAST MIDDLE EAST MIDDLE EAST.

    got it?

    A Middle Eastern JEW at that!

    All hail Christ almighty,my woggy Jewish forefather and brethren!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    Christianity is not a Middle Eastern religion. It's actually as western as it can possibly get. Is Bosnian Islam anything like Arabian or Berber Islam? Not at all. Is European Christianity anything like the Christianity of Coptic Egyptians, Chinese converts or Bolivian Catholics? Fuck no. Are the Mozambique Christians that set fire to thieves in tyres or murder people for being vampires anything like European Christianity? Fuck no.

    A religion is the product of its people. We could be any variety of religion and Europe would largely be the same.
    Reality is more complex : for example many famous catholic theologians were north africans and the whole latin catholic tradition appeared in North Africa

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