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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    For a man in his early 40's to act like a 10 year old is unbelievable. Especially since hes been in this forums for over 3 years.

    Its no wonder Persians(Includes a lot of azeris actually) that refer to anatolian torkos as donkeys.
    probably becouse that bacha-bazi faggots missing the shlong of Turks which owned and ridden them for an millenium,and still dreaming about

    good night again, son of a mutah, bobook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    no I dont make a deal about it you got that wrong . but he is not persian so him showing his results as an example of "but look I dont come out like that " doesnt make sense in this relation .

    that guy when he is bandari arab why does he say he is persian I dont get it

    and we are not interchangable in calculators . at least turkey kurds (not sure about other kurds) but we have a big "west shift" from persians on calculators

    (which doesnt mean anything in relation to how I see you . I like you guys and you know that)
    Ok fair enough, but would you kindly shoe me a PCS which shows a "big Western shift" of Turkish kurds in relation to Persians? As far I have seen in 95% of PCA's, kurds have fallen in the same micro cluster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gültekin View Post
    probably becouse that bacha-bazi faggots missing the shlong of Turks which owned and ridden them for an millenium,and still dreaming about

    good night again, son of a mutah, bobook.
    Ok, that's really gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarzian View Post
    Ok fair enough, but would you kindly shoe me a PCS which shows a "big Western shift" of Turkish kurds in relation to Persians? As far I have seen in 95% of PCA's, kurds have fallen in the same micro cluster.
    what is a PCS ? typo ? you mean PCA right ? or is there such a thing as PCS which I dont know about (if yes tell me what it is please)

    I dont know which pca I can show you especially since the Kurdish samples are not (only) from turkey anyway . but I can show you the shifts from gedmatch that show it (the pca plots are based on that anyway)

    from various calculators :

    80.8% Iranian + 19.2% Greek @ 2.62
    82.4% Iranian + 17.6% Albanian @ 2.64
    78.6% Iranian + 21.4% Italian_South @ 3.68
    60.7% Iranian_Mazandarani + 39.3% Jew_Ashkenazi @ 4.26
    71.7% Iranians (Behar) + 28.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
    72.3% Iranians (Behar) + 27.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.2
    74.5% Iranians (Behar) + 25.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.3
    73.3% Iranians (Behar) + 26.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.3
    78.2% Iranians (Behar) + 21.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.7
    71.2% Iranians (Behar) + 28.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3

    and yes of course we cluster both in the west asian cluster but that doesnt interfere with what I say

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    Yall bitchass mothafuckaz will never be this Scythian


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    Quote Originally Posted by gültekin View Post
    probably becouse that bacha-bazi faggots missing the shlong of Turks which owned and ridden them for an millenium,and still dreaming about

    good night again, son of a mutah, bobook.
    Delusional torko khar nazis dont agree with a autistic 40 year old fart because they're too busy acting like retards in the streets in germany. A place where torkos are the new nazis of germany. Torkos were the subjects of steppe iranic nomads who fucked the living shit out of whore female torko women. Thats why most of you have 15-20% North-east european-A classic steppe pillaging from superior indo-iranic nomads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    Ancestry and demography and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615


    T265461 - Be9_I05622 Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE
    M362842 - Be11_I0563,Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE

    M344946 - PR9_I0574, Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
    M084152 - PR3_I0575 , Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE

    M837055 - A17_I0576, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE
    M446756 - A10_I0577, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE

    M456377 - Is2 Ismailovo, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
    T866391 - Ze6 Zevakino, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE


    I checked in K36 them. But in every calculator their "Altaic /Siberian" vibe could detected, except tow and third. First one is Scythian_IA from older paper.



    I uploaded them to DNA.land.

    Mid-Turkic - includes: Tajik in (Pomiri) Tajikistan; Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Uygur in China and Hazara in Pakistan.
    East-Turkic - includes: Altaian, Kalmyk, Tuvinian and Yakut in Russia.
    Rest clusters are self-explanatory.

    Sarmatians which were from Pokrovka, Russia and most western from uploaded kits; were also mostly Euro, with some Indo-Iranian. One is even more Western Euro than Eastern.




    Eastern Scythian and proto-Scythian groups are mostly Turanid-like in genetic profile. I'm sure also in phenotype.








    MDS plot from suplementary info confirming those statements.





    Contemporary descent from western Iron Age Scythians is mainly found among various Eurasian groups, whereas contemporary descent from eastern Iron Age Scythians is almost exclusively Turkic:
    We used 10 summary statistics for our model selection procedure (within-population statistics for each contemporary population, and FST and PHS between contemporary
    population and each Scythian sample group). An inspection of simulated values suggested that these were successful in approximating the observed values, regardless of We then applied this model selection procedure to 86 contemporary population samples and the main findings can be summarized as follows (Supplementary Fig. 10 and 11).

    Firstly, contemporary populations likely to be directly descended from western Scythians were mainly found in geographic proximity to the archaeological sites, consisting of Indo-European, Iranian, Slavic and Caucasian groups, but also included some Uzbeks (Supplementary Fig. 10a and Supplementary Fig. 11). The populations with the highest likelihood of direct descent were either located in close proximity (e.g. Russians, Mohska), the Caucasus (e,g, Azeris, Abazinians) or in Central Asia (e.g. some Uzbeks, Tajiks) (Supplementary Fig. 10a).

    Secondly and similarly, contemporary populations most likely to share a common ancestor with western Scythians were primarily found among Iranian and Caucasian groups, predominantly situated in the western part of our sampling range (Supplementary Fig. 10c and Supplementary Fig. 11). Though supported by lower model posteriors, these included Iranians, Chechens, Cirkassians and also (again) Uzbeks.

    Thirdly, contemporary populations with the highest likelihood of being directly descended from eastern Scythian groups are almost exclusively Turkic language speakers (Supplementary Fig. 10b). Particularly high statistical support was documented for some Turkic speaking groups geographically located close to the archaeological sites of the eastern Scythians (e.g. Telenghits, Tubular, Tofalar), but also among Turkic speaking populations located in Central Asia (e.g. Kyrgyz, Kazakhs and Karakalpaks) (Supplementary Fig. 11). These same results were found for some Turkic groups located even further to the West, such as the Kazan Volga-Tatars. Finally, contemporary populations likely to share a common ancestor with eastern Scythians were mainly found among Turkic, Mongolian and Siberian groups located in eastern Eurasia (Supplementary Fig. 10d and Supplementary Fig. 11). In summary, these results provide further support for a multi-regional origin of the various Scythian groups from the Iron Age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cniva View Post
    Yall bitchass mothafuckaz will never be this Scythian

    Wut is this? "Muh lost Iranic bruder"

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    Being a swarthy persian anatolian turk is better than being a pale ass or some weird mongloid anyway. i don't understand the discussion, anatolian turks are dark, especially central anatolians and it's a good thing. More masculine looking men

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    An otherwise fine thread ruined by an autistic middle aged man, wow

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