Cana'anite DNA

[Longbowman]

I know some Iraqi Jews who identify as "Arab Jews" for some reason. I never understood it.

Mostly internet leftwingers born and raised in America or elsewhere in the West. I think we're both thinking of the same people.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Arabs converted to judaism isn't absurd. The herodian rulers of Judah are claimed be of arab origin. Possibly yemeni jews are arab converts.

[Pulsa Dinura]

Ironically, it's the Christians of the Levant that invented Arab nationalism or Baathism in the first place, lol.

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again." André Gide


Arab Nationalism

"Sāṭi` al-Ḥuṣrī (in Arabic: ساطع الحصري, in Turkish: Mustafa Satı Bey, August 1880 – 1968) was an Ottoman and Syrian writer, educationalist and an influential Arab nationalist thinker in the 20th century."

Mustafa, a Christian from the Levant, mou?

Arabic only spread through northern Mesopotamia and Egypt after the Muslim conquest. Arabic was not used in these areas.

What if the Umeyyads succeeded in occupying Spain and France (till Poitiers), like they occupied the whole actual "arab world” , would Spain and France become Arab today?

Baathism:

Not only Michel Aflaq, one of the founders of the Baath party converted to Islam, but he also linked unfailingly the Arab identity to Islam.

He died Ahmad Michel Aflaq.

Here’s a pic of his tomb, where you can quietly recite Surat Al Fatiha.

Attachment 66111

So Baathism was not created for Levantine Christians nor by Levantine Christians.

Jews are an ethno-religious group, and they're certainly aren't Arabs regardless that the Jews that used to live in the Arab world spoke Arabic as their first language.

Levantine Christians were Arabs before the Arab razzia?

There are some Bedouins in Jordan that are still adhering to the Christian faith today though.

Some? 10, 50? they must be the remnants of the last Arab Christians Dhimmis.

https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/10758/JO

According to this website, Jordanian Christian Bedouins represent 0,01 % of the Bedouin population.

From the same site:

"What are their (Jordanian Bedouins) beliefs?

Islam's prophet Mohammed was born and raised in the Bedouin tribe of the Quraish. The Qur'an, first revealed to Mohammed, was later written and compiled in the Arabic language. The first converts to Islam came from the Bedouin tribes living in and around Mecca. Therefore, Islam is embedded and deeply rooted in Bedouin culture. Although there are pockets of Christians in Bedouin tribes, by and large the word Bedouin is synonymous with being a follower of Islam Prayer is an integral part of Bedouin life. As there are no formal mosques in the desert, they pray where they are, facing Mecca and performing the ritual washing, preferably with water. Since water is not always readily available, they 'wash' with sand instead."

[Sacrificed Ram]

What does differ Iranian Chalcolithic from current iranians?

[Pulsa Dinura]

According your criterion all arabs are extinct.

No, Arabs are not extinct, they are all living in the Arabian Peninsula.

after they mixed with a lot of circassian, balkanics, tatar, blacks, indo-malaio, etc.

Does it mean that Circassians, Balkanites, Tatars, Blacks, Indo-Malay... became Arabs?

[Sacrificed Ram]

No, Arabs are not extinct, they are all living in the Arabian Peninsula.

Does it mean that Circassian, Balkanites, Tatars, Blacks, Indo-Malay... became Arabs?

You know that muslim arabs tend to have many wives and some even distant places of the world (I know even brazilian women married with muslim arabs). Are their mutt offspring creditable to be called arabs?

[Pulsa Dinura]

You know that muslim arabs tend to have many wives and some even distant places of the world (I know even brazilian women married with muslim arabs). Are their mutt offspring creditable to be called arabs?

Do those Muslim Arabs have a nationality? If they are from the Arabian Peninsula, then definitely they are Arabs.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Do those Muslim Arabs have a nationality? If they are from the Arabian Peninsula, then definitely they are Arabs.

Jus Soli. I'm an amerind.

[jingorex]

how very disappointing that must be.

no G1.

[Kamal900]

"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again." André Gide


Arab Nationalism

"Sāṭi` al-Ḥuṣrī (in Arabic: ساطع الحصري, in Turkish: Mustafa Satı Bey, August 1880 – 1968) was an Ottoman and Syrian writer, educationalist and an influential Arab nationalist thinker in the 20th century."

Mustafa, a Christian from the Levant, mou?

Arabic only spread through northern Mesopotamia and Egypt after the Muslim conquest. Arabic was not used in these areas.

What if the Umeyyads succeeded in occupying Spain and France (till Poitiers), like they occupied the whole actual "arab world” , would Spain and France become Arab today?

Baathism:

Not only Michel Aflaq, one of the founders of the Baath party converted to Islam, but he also linked unfailingly the Arab identity to Islam.

He died Ahmad Michel Aflaq.

Here’s a pic of his tomb, where you can quietly recite Surat Al Fatiha.

Attachment 66111

So Baathism was not created for Levantine Christians nor by Levantine Christians.

Levantine Christians were Arabs before the Arab razzia?

Some? 10, 50? they must be the remnants of the last Arab Christians Dhimmis.

https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/10758/JO

According to this website, Jordanian Christian Bedouins represent 0,01 % of the Bedouin population.

From the same site:

"What are their (Jordanian Bedouins) beliefs?

Islam's prophet Mohammed was born and raised in the Bedouin tribe of the Quraish. The Qur'an, first revealed to Mohammed, was later written and compiled in the Arabic language. The first converts to Islam came from the Bedouin tribes living in and around Mecca. Therefore, Islam is embedded and deeply rooted in Bedouin culture. Although there are pockets of Christians in Bedouin tribes, by and large the word Bedouin is synonymous with being a follower of Islam Prayer is an integral part of Bedouin life. As there are no formal mosques in the desert, they pray where they are, facing Mecca and performing the ritual washing, preferably with water. Since water is not always readily available, they 'wash' with sand instead."

The word Levantine was an Arabic term given by the invading Arab armies in the 7th century. Um, yes, Levantine christians had a large role in the Arab nationalist movement:

Arabism and regional patriotism (such as in Egypt or in the Levant) mixed and gained predominance over Ottomanism among some Arabs in Syria and Lebanon. Ibrahim al-Yazigi, a Lebanese Christian philosopher, called for the Arabs to "recover their lost ancient vitality and throw off the yoke of the Turks" in 1868. A secret society promoting this goal was formed in the late 1870s, with al-Yazigi as a member. The group placed placards in Beirut calling for a rebellion against the Ottomans. Meanwhile, other Lebanese and Damascus-based notables, mostly Muslims, formed similar secret movements, although they differed as Christian groups who disfavoured Arabism called for a completely independent Lebanon while the Muslim Arab societies generally promoted an autonomous Greater Syria still under Ottoman rule.[12]

As early as 1870, Syrian Christian writer Francis Marrash distinguished the notion of fatherland from that of nation; when applying the latter to Greater Syria, he pointed to the role played by language, besides customs and belief in common interests, in defining national identity.[13] This distinction between fatherland and nation was also made by Hasan al-Marsafi in 1881. By the beginning of the 20th century, groups of Muslim Arabs embraced an Arab nationalist "self-view" that would provide as the basis of the Arab nationalist ideology of the 20th century. This new version of Arab patriotism was directly influenced by the Islamic modernism and revivalism of Muhammad Abduh, the Egyptian Muslim scholar. Abduh believed the Arabs' Muslim ancestors bestowed "rationality on mankind and created the essentials of modernity," borrowed by the West. Thus, while Europe advanced from adopting the modernist ideals of true Islam, the Muslims failed, corrupting and abandoning true Islam.[12] Abduh influenced modern Arab nationalism in particular, because the revival of true Islam's ancestors (who were Arabs) would also become the revival of Arab culture and the restoration of the Arab position as the leaders of the Islamic world. One of Abduh's followers, Abd al-Rahman al-Kawakibi, openly declared that the Ottoman Empire should be both Turkish and Arab, with the latter exercising religious and cultural leadership.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism#Origins

Again, just the fact that the Christians, Druze and the 3alawis are more purer than others that doesn't mean they have cultural links to the ancient Canaanite tribes like the Jews do today. In fact, maronites are more Syriac than Phoenician culturally, and the Phoenician language was long extinct before the arrival of Islam in the 7th century. Yes, these Bedouins are Christians which further proves the point that Arabs as a whole existed way before Islam. The Ghassinids and the Lakhmids were the two notable Arab christian tribes in pre-Islamic times.