Does Taxonomy have any Scientific Basis?

[Learning_Genetics]

The different racial classifications are very complex and developed. There are many different supposed races. Nordic, Baltid, East Baltid, Alpine etc.

But what genetic basis is there for any of these?

For example, I saw that people were classifying a Swedish person on this website and some users said that the person in question obviously had Lappoid influence in them. But how can this be proven?

There were also some anthropologists who said that the East Baltid type was Mongoloid influenced. And again, what evidence is there for this?

How can you look at a person or measure their head and then determine where their ancestry derives from? You could have someone from Lithuania with high cheek bones and this could be from cro-magnons instead of evidence of Mongoloid influence.

What do people base these classifications on? How do they justify them as based in empirical fact instead of subjective interpretation?

[blogen]

The measurement is science, but this guessing in here is of course not. Guessing only. Hovever, the visible characters are real!

ps. The difference between the Mongoloid (or Europo-Mongoloid), Cromagnoid and the other Europid cheekbone:


The facial flatness is the visible result of this.

[Veslan]

Races are a Social Construct™. But the main logic in them is that in the ancient times there were some isolated populations who evolutionarily changed in diffrent ways, and then mixed with eachother. There isn't one genetic gene saying "Hallstatt Nordid", or "East Baltid", or whatever, but when you have high correlation of several genes, you can be claimed to be an individual of some race. Always. But races as a one genetic gene don't exist, and the SJWs are right about it, it's rather just having multiple similiar phenotypic genes, and the names like "Nordid" or whatever else is just simplification to use for people who happen to look in some way.

But what genetic basis is there for any of these?

Some phenotypic genes were developed by some population, and we know that because of archaelogy, genetics, et cetera. The problem is that many anthropologists call populations by diffrent names and this is a maing reason of diffrent classifications. But most of them find out similiar conclusions. For an example both Coon (American) and Czekanowski (Pole) came to a conclusion that Slavs are Lapponoid-Nordid mixed, but they called this "Slavic" race by diffrent names. Coon used name "East Baltic", and Czekanowski used name "Subnordid".

But phenotypic genes can be also tricky, because they are selected randomly. Imagine that there are two families combined of one White-Nordic parent and one Negroid parent. One family has Nordic-Negroid mixed son, and other has Nordic-Negroid mixed daughter. Even the SJWs screeching about "race doesn't exist" would say that both of these children are mulatoes. And now imagine that this mulllatto male marries mullatto woman and they have two children - there is a small chance that one of their children will inherit almost only White genes, and the other only Black genes. But genetically they would be mixed and have some specified African/European genes such as haplogroups.

So as you can see they work in the way: If you have 100% for an example European phenotypic genes, then you have certainly European admixture, but it's not certain if you don't have also some other admixture.

For example, I saw that people were classifying a Swedish person on this website and some users said that the person in question obviously had Lappoid influence in them. But how can this be proven?

Lapponoids are generally very transistional from White to Yellow race. It means that this Swede could have have some slight "Mongoloid" genes which are impossible to inherit if your parents don't have even slight Mongoloid admixture. For an example: flat face/nose, median fold, yellowish skin. Those would be impossible to inherit if this Swede was not part Lapponoid.

Then you might ask: "What would have happen if he had not Lappnoid, but pure Mongoloid admixture?"

Then he would have those "yellow" genes more visible, like a full epicanthic fold instead of median fold, cheek bones extremely high, extremely weak hair on his body.

There were also some anthropologists who said that the East Baltid type was Mongoloid influenced. And again, what evidence is there for this?

None, because if it was Mongoloid (pure, not just Lapponoid) admixed Slavs would have as strong Mongoloid genes as White genes. And mostly they don't.

How can you look at a person or measure their head and then determine where their ancestry derives from? You could have someone from Lithuania with high cheek bones and this could be from cro-magnons instead of evidence of Mongoloid influence.

By looking at the rest of his look - more Mongoloid influence would mean that he is more Mongoloid admixed. Small Mongoloid influence would mean that this is just Lapponoid admixture, and none would mean that he is mostly Cro-Magnon. Physical Anthropology is not just measure of a head, but also looking at your phenotype as a whole.

What do people base these classifications on? How do they justify them as based in empirical fact instead of subjective interpretation?

We are certain that some genes are being inherited because of some admixture. As I said before, it's impossible to not have even slight Mongoloid/Lapponoid admixture and have epicanthic/median fold, because this gene was not developed by non-Lapponoid/Mongoloid populations, or to have Blond hair and not be admixed with Nordids or Cro-Magnons. Those are empirical facts.

[blogen]

Lapponoids are generally very transistional from White to Yellow race.

OMG! Maybe where the "race is a social construct". But in the reality the Lapponoid is a pure and the second oldest Europid race.

[Veslan]

OMG! Maybe where the "race is a social construct". But in the reality the Lapponoid is a pure and the second oldest Europid race.

They have some genes which are clearly not of European origin, like flat nose, high cheek bones, and median fold. But it's true they came to Europe early.

[blogen]

They have some genes which are clearly not of European origin, like flat nose, high cheek bones, and median fold. But it's true they came to Europe early.

Whom have genes? The racially pure Lapponoid samples?

Ps. The forward projected cheekbone is Mongoloid origin, not the high. Here is Björk, the classic example of a clear Lapponoid sample without any sign of Mongoloid admixture:

[Veslan]

Whom have genes? The racially pure Lapponoid samples?

Ps. The forward projected cheekbone is Mongoloid origin, not the high. Here is Björk, the classic example of a clear Lapponoid sample without any sign of Mongoloid admixture:

I can clearly see the median fold and yellowish skin.

[Вavhat]

I think anthropometry is based more on mathematics than on science. The people here are amateurs (mostly), and they estimate rather than measure, but often they are still accurate. There are calculators which can give you more accurate results.

[Pennywise]

Physical Anthropology is partly science and has some legitimacy under certain circumstances but overall it's too superfical and often times useless compared to the modern advanced methods like Population Genetics and Autosomal DNA.

[Dibran]

I think anthropometry is based more on mathematics than on science. The people here are amateurs (mostly), and they estimate rather than measure, but often they are still accurate. There are calculators which can give you more accurate results.

calculators that provide taxonomy? can you link the calculator for others to try.