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    Default Laconian Greek GEDmatch result: good proxy for pre-Slavic mainlanders?

    There is obviously a shift toward Northeast Europe compared to Sicilians but not so much that I could not believe this to be a fairly non-Slavicized result.

    Eurogenes:
    Admix Results:
    1 East Med 23.3
    2 Atlantic 19.69
    3 West Med 15.21
    4 West Asian 13.48
    5 Baltic 11.49
    6 North Sea 10.38
    7 Red Sea 3.45
    8 Eastern Euro 2.92
    9 Amerindian 0.15

    Single Pop Sharing
    1 Greek 5.53
    2 Italian Abruzzo 6.42
    3 Tuscan 7.93
    4 West Sicilian 8
    5 Central Greek 8.12
    6 Greek Thessaly 8.33
    7 East Sicilian 8.33
    8 South Italian 10.09
    9 Bulgarian 10.15

    10 Ashkenazi 10.62
    11 Romanian 12.41
    12 North Italian 12.76
    13 Italian Jewish 14.93
    14 Sephardic Jewish 15.09
    15 Serbian 15.88
    16 Algerian Jewish 16.12
    17 Tunisian Jewish 19.22
    18 Spanish Andalusia 19.26
    19 Spanish Extremadura 19.6
    20 Spanish Murcia 19.7

    Mixed Mode Pop Sharing
    1 % 69.3 South Italian % 30.7 Austrian
    2 % 65.9 Italian Abruzzo % 34.1 Bulgarian
    3 % 57.9 West Sicilian % 42.1 Bulgarian
    4 % 89.1 Italian Abruzzo % 10.9 Lithuanian
    5 % 59 Greek % 41 Italian Abruzzo
    6 % 87.5 Italian Abruzzo %12.5 Russian Smolensk
    7 % 88.3 Italitan Abruzzo % 11.7 Belorussian
    8 % 68 Greek % 32 Tuscan
    9 % 50.2 South Ital % 49.8 Bulgarian
    10 % 88.5 ital Abruzzo % 11.5 Estonian Polish
    11 % 71.4 South Ital % 22.1 Russian Smolensk
    12 % 71.4 South Ital 28.5 Croatian
    13 % 83.8 Ital Abruzzo % 16.2 Croatian
    14 % 92 Greek % French Basque
    15 % 87 Greek 12.3 Spanish Castilla
    16 %78 South Ital % 22 Polish
    18 % 89.3 Greek % 10.7 Spanish Aragon
    19 % 87.9 Greek % 12.1 Spanish Valencia
    20 % 88.5 Greek % 11.5 Spanish Castilla La Mancha


    Dodecad:
    1 Caucasus 31.36
    2 Atlantic Med 28.57
    3 North Euro 22.83
    4 SW Asia 9.25
    5 Gedrosia 5.55
    6 NW Africa 2.14
    7 SE Asia 0.3

    Single Pop Sharing
    1 O Italian 5.73
    2 Greek 6.46
    3 C Italian 7.93
    4 Tuscan 9.95
    5 TS130 10.58
    6 Sicilian 11.59
    7 South Italian 11.62
    8 Bulgarian 12.52 (Dodecad)
    9 Ashkenazy 12.57
    10 Ashkenazy (Dodecad) 12.71
    11 Bulgarian 12.8
    12 Romanians 13.72
    13 N Italian (Dodecad) 14.40
    14 N Italian 16.68
    15 Seph Jews 18.28
    16 Morocco Jews 19.96
    17 Turkish 24.66
    18 Belaeres 25.14
    19 Cypriots 25.63
    20 Galicia 26. 11

    Two Populations
    1 70.7 S Italian/Sicilian 29.3 Hungarian 1.4
    2 70.8 Sicilian 29.2 Hungarian 1.72
    3 78.6 S Italian Sicilian 21.4 Polish 1.79
    4 79.2 S Italian Sicilian 20.8 Mixed Slav 2.18
    5 83.2 S Italian Sicilian 16.8 Lithuanian 2.19
    6 72.3 Ashkenazy 27.7 Mixed Germanic 2.2
    7 80.3 S Italian 19.7 Belorussian 2.22
    8 78.8 Sicilian 21.2 Polish 2.27
    9 82.3 S. Italian 17.7 Lithuanian 2.31
    10 73.4 Ashkenazy 26.6 Dutch 2.32
    11 54.3 S Italian 45.7 Rumanian 2.36
    12 71.7 Ashkenazy 28.3 German 2.37
    13 80.4 S Italian Sicilian 19.6 Russian 2.38
    14 54.4 Sicilian 45.6 Romanian 2.44
    15 85.3 Greek 13.7 Argyll 2.45
    16 78.2 S Italian Sicilian 21.8 Ukranian 2.46
    17 79.4 Sicilian 20.6 Mixed Slav 2.53
    18 86.6 Greek 13. 4 Orcadian 2.56
    19 86.7 Greek 13.3 Orkney 2.57
    20 86.6 Greek 13. 4 irish 2.58

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    I hope these calculators can one day make up their mind instead of guessing

    13 % 83.8 Ital Abruzzo % 16.2 Croatian
    14 % 92 Greek % French Basque
    15 % 87 Greek 12.3 Spanish Castilla
    16 %78 South Ital % 22 Polish
    18 % 89.3 Greek % 10.7 Spanish Aragon
    19 % 87.9 Greek % 12.1 Spanish Valencia
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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    I hope these calculators can one day make up their mind instead of guessing

    13 % 83.8 Ital Abruzzo % 16.2 Croatian
    14 % 92 Greek % French Basque
    15 % 87 Greek 12.3 Spanish Castilla
    16 %78 South Ital % 22 Polish
    18 % 89.3 Greek % 10.7 Spanish Aragon
    19 % 87.9 Greek % 12.1 Spanish Valencia
    Better read a real book on Greek genetics such as the work done by Triandifilidis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauromachos View Post
    Better read a real book on Greek genetics such as the work done by Triandifilidis
    What does the book say about Greek genetics in general?

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    Most southern Greeks, from Peloponnese to all the Islands, are more closely related their Ancient Greek ancestors. Northern Greece had a lot more contact and influences from Balkan peoples than the south did, and it’s evident based on genetic charts.

    By the way even this specific result is way too north-shifted for the average Laconian results. Most results will have various South-Italian areas within the top 5.
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