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    Bosnia's Turkish debate
    There are those who are and will always be uncomfortable with the fact someone would choose Turkish over German


    By Jahja Muhasilovic

    - The writer is a freelance political analyst and PhD candidate in Modern Turkish Studies at Bogazici University, Istanbul. (@themuhasil)

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    Just a few days ago the Association of Parents in the Canton of Sarajevo complained to the canton’s education minister that the promotion of the Turkish language as an elective class had been taking place without prior consultation with parents. Parents say they should be the ones to decide what class schoolchildren will select.

    The first impression is that the complaint is fair and square. The impression is one of caring parents minding the future of their children, and certainly they are; but what is striking is the fact that parents have been turned into a ‘lobbying machine’ that sees a “civilizational threat” to their children, as they are complaining about allegedly a “lobbying campaign of Turkish language teachers”.

    Since when has a parent whose child is taking, for instance, a German language course or any other as an elective class begun to worry that some parents and their children prefer the Turkish language? It has been obvious since the beginning that this case contains a politicized dimension.

    Unfair campaign

    Primarily, it is important to look at some of the key facts here. Turkish has been only an elective class since 2015, when a small number of schools across the Bosniak part of the country incorporated it into their curriculums. Soon after it became part of curriculums, we witnessed the launch of an unfair campaign against the language.

    A campaign against a language? It sounds weird that some would be ready to lead a campaign against learning ‘a language.’ Is there anything more useful and harmless than learning a language in the life of a student? Is it not a bit strange for parents to react so furiously against someone else’s child learning another foreign language? After those parents’ paradoxical reactions, it should be admitted that it is just a politicized campaign.

    If we take a look at some statistics regarding the teaching of Turkish in Bosnia and Herzegovina according to Yunus Emre Institute’s annual reports from 2015, in that year, around 6,000 Bosnian children chose Turkish as an elective course.

    When the recent crisis on choosing Turkish happened, the language’s teachers officially shared a statistic that more than 7,000 students are learning Turkish at the moment. So there has been a rise of almost 20 percent in just two years in the number of students. Apparently, some people became alarmed at the rising popularity of the Turkish language.

    It seems even stranger considering that other foreign languages are taught in Bosnian schools as well. Arabic and German, for instance, are taught, with Arabic holding a marginal place in terms of numbers, and German dominating the scene.

    Unofficial statistics show that more than 200,000 children are learning German as an elective course. German has been in curriculums far longer than Turkish, and yet no one has so far complained that around half of Bosnian kids are learning German as an elective course. On a few occasions, representatives of Turkish institutions have complained that some pro-German media outlets and institutions are spreading anti-Turkish campaigns. So, this begs the question: do we now have pro-German parents as well?

    This issue will be clear over time. But to better understand these weird campaigns -- such as those spreading unfounded fears of a perceived ‘Arab invasion’ or putting words into Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s mouth, or as this recent case shows, where a language has come under attack --, we should be taking a look at the bigger picture, which is a geopolitical one.

    Fight for geopolitical dominance

    Sadly, not many locals are aware that the Balkans peninsula is a playground for geopolitical dominance and that the fight for the soul of its citizens started a long time ago.

    I suggested in a writing some time ago that in the near future this area would be divided among three competing geopolitical ‘tectonic plates’ under the influence of the West, the East and the Middle-East.

    Of course, I was not alone in these predictions as many other analysts predicted the same for the future of the Balkans. If we put on ‘geopolitical glasses’, then it would be easier to see why even the simplest daily social activities, like learning Turkish or an Arab buying real estate, can become a problem in the Balkans.

    It is important not to forget to have this dimension in mind when similar campaigns happen in the future.

    There are those who are and will always be uncomfortable with the fact that someone would choose Turkish over German as an elective class. Only those with claims over the region would be uncomfortable with this fact.

    The popularity of the Turkish language has risen dramatically in recent years, especially thanks to Turkish soaps, which still dominate local TV channels. These dynamics have had a direct impact on the number of those willing to learn the language of the soaps.

    The German language, which held a dominant position for some time, now has a competitor on the rise. Losing attendees to any language other than German has a directly negative impact on the German economy, as its significantly shrinking labor demographics depends on the region’s brain drain.

    The whole of the Balkans are slowly turning into a German economic ‘lebensraum’ as its economy directly depends on future potential ‘Germans’, and as the schools teaching German as an elective class have turned into ‘recruitment centers’ for the country’s economic future.

    So, in other words, Turkish as an elective class will be making dents in the ‘German labor potential’ in the long run.

    Statistics demonstrating the emigration rate of youths primarily to German lands in recent years proves this thesis. And of course it would be wrong to ignore the recent tensions along the Ankara-Berlin axis, as slowly the two countries are turning into open rivals locked in a geopolitical competition. The Balkans will be the first to feel the consequences of this rivalry, as both countries have historical aspirations towards it.

    Living between ‘the tectonic plates of geopolitics’ can sometimes make life unpredictable. A local willing to learn a foreign language or wanting to sell a property to a foreigner can be seen as committing an ‘act of treason’ while leaving the homeland in multitudes to fill another country's labor deficit can be laudable.

    Building ‘a consistent stance in the Balkans’ is very hard. Having a destiny of being a centuries-old rift between geopolitical tectonic plates forces some to become a political tool in the hands of power centers, as apparently someone has turned these parents into.

    *Opinions expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Anadolu Agency.
    http://aa.com.tr/en/analysis-news/bo...-debate/845487
    Congratulations to Bosnians with enlightened spirit. I see how Ottomaniacness is turning Turkey and Turks both culturally and demographically into Middle Eastern country. Bosniaks should resist to forced Arabization and Turkification pretty much how Albanians succesfully avoid and protect their identity.
    Dont learn a language which is foreign to Europa and dont sell property to Arabs.

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    Why learn German if English is spoken more widely in Europe as a second language? Learning Turkish makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Why learn German if English is spoken more widely in Europe as a second language? Learning Turkish makes no sense.
    German is powerful. Also Germany protects and boost her language especially after UK leaves EU there are anti-English sentiments. If you noticed in real life Germans can barely speak English for most and with bad accent because they care more own language. İts not like Dutch or Norwegians who speak better English than Brits
    Learning German for Bosniaks mean job opportunities in their country since many German companies. Also Croats are Germanophiles there. Plus it means immigration opportunity to Austria and Germany and Switzerland where German is spoken language. Learning Turkish there makes absolute no sense here you are right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Why learn German if English is spoken more widely in Europe as a second language? Learning Turkish makes no sense.
    Cause the whole eastern europe is Germany's playfield. Western Europe and Greece should secede from the EU, and join Britain and America. Let Germany and the east-central europe form their own eu or should I say Reich.

    Anglosphere > Germanosphere

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    Quote Originally Posted by ___ View Post
    Cause the whole eastern europe is Germany's playfield. Western Europe and Greece should secede from the EU, and join Britain and America. Let Germany and the east-central europe form their own eu or should I say Reich.

    Anglosphere > Germanosphere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Why learn German if English is spoken more widely in Europe as a second language? Learning Turkish makes no sense.
    Many ex-yugos(and eastern europeans in general) work/live in german speaking countries such as Austria,Germany,Switzerland. It is closer than England and England is leaving EU too

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    I guess it does seem reasonable for Yugos to learn German owing to job opportunities in the German speaking countries, although the global utility of German is minimal compared to English. Turkish is a waste of time for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siyendi View Post
    German is powerful. Also Germany protects and boost her language especially after UK leaves EU there are anti-English sentiments. If you noticed in real life Germans can barely speak English for most and with bad accent because they care more own language.
    Also Croats are Germanophiles there.
    I agree Scandinavians seem better at English than Germans in my experience, with the Dutch in between, but younger Germans aren't bad either. It doesn't matter, though, because native English speakers are very accommodating of the strong accents, grammatical errors and imperfect pronunciation of non-native speakers. The Croats I know are also pro German.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    And who will pay for you?
    Who will pay for YOU Turkalbanian parasite?

    Greece is paying every penny back with interest rate and those loans are secured by guarantees worth 3 trillion. (Greece is actually a rich country not an Albanian Afganistan that you are)

    Germany earns 300 billion a year (more than the Greek national debt) by exploiting the crisis.

    Now who is gonna pay for the houses and villages of the Greek minority that your Albanian third world country demolishes?

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    Siyendi; don't lose hope. All of this will be over in 2019. That's when we will return the country to factory settings. The de-middle-easternization process will begin, a big wall against Syria and Iraq shitholes and we will turn to the Aegean Sea. Greeks better be on alert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N1019 View Post
    I guess it does seem reasonable for Yugos to learn German owing to job opportunities in the German speaking countries, although the global utility of German is minimal compared to English. Turkish is a waste of time for them.



    I agree Scandinavians seem better at English than Germans in my experience, with the Dutch in between, but younger Germans aren't bad either. It doesn't matter, though, because native English speakers are very accommodating of the strong accents, grammatical errors and imperfect pronunciation of non-native speakers. The Croats I know are also pro German.
    Germany has invested enormously in Eastern Europe. These countries are effectively Germany's vessels, and vote always what Germany tells them to. German are spoken all over central-east Europe and the Balkans and they seem to accept Germany as their natural leader.

    That is unacceptable in Greece and Western Europe. We have always been natural enemies with Germans (they have always supported Turkey against us ever since from Ottoman times). If we are vessels of Germany it is against our will.

    Our natural allies have always been the Americans and Anglos and it feels natural to ally with them. We never had particularly good relationship with the Germans or East Europeans.

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