Athenian Greek GEDmatch: a good example of pre-Slavic mainland Greeks?

[Hamlet]

Do you have the GEDmatch ID?

[febard]

The whole talk is based on an assumption ( that everybody takes for granted - even though there is no evidence to support it) that at some point Sicily and Greece were genetically one and the same, and then something happened to Greece that shifted the population to the northeast... so we can use Sicilians as a reference about how the preSlavic Greeks were.... This is an obsession and there is no real argument to support it.
Why do you assume that ancient Greek settlers annihilated the local east Sicilian population and that everybody in this region descended from them? Why dont you go with the more likely (if not obvious) possibility that Sicilians have been genetically to the southwest of Greece since back then and the vast majority were Hellenized and not Greek by blood? Or even if we accept the Greeks exterminating the local Sicilian population assumption(which would be wrong) and that there was no genetic difference between ancient Greeks and Sicilians at some point why do you rule out the possibility that Saracen fellas shifted Sicily to the south?

[Sikeliot]

Do you have the GEDmatch ID?

Yes.

[Sikeliot]

The whole talk is based on an assumption ( that everybody takes for granted - even though there is no evidence to support it) that at some point Sicily and Greece were genetically one and the same, and then something happened to Greece that shifted the population to the northeast... so we can use Sicilians as a reference about how the preSlavic Greeks were.... This is an obsession and there is no real argument to support it.
Why do you assume that ancient Greek settlers annihilated the local east Sicilian population and that everybody in this region descended from them? Why dont you go with the more likely (if not obvious) possibility that Sicilians have been genetically to the southwest of Greece since back then and the vast majority were Hellenized and not Greek by blood? Or even if we accept the Greeks exterminating the local Sicilian population assumption(which would be wrong) and that there was no genetic difference between ancient Greeks and Sicilians at some point why do you rule out the possibility that Saracen fellas shifted Sicily to the south?

Both are true. Sicily has been shifted south (toward Levantines and North Africans), AND Greeks toward the northeast. But if you read what I said, I do believe Greeks always would have been shifted northeast of Sicily, but not to the very large extent many of them are today.

Sicilians don't really shift southwest of Greeks though, they're more like an intermediate between Greece and Cyprus with some North African thrown in.

[Queen B]

''Αthenian''.
You do realize that Athens metropolitan area have almost half the population of Greece due to urbanization.
Hardly any Athenian is Athenian.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Worth mentioning that a big part of modern Athenians are of Peloponnesian origin.

And western anatolians (Smyrna), central Greece and even more from "western Greece" (aitoloakarnania)

[Tauromachos]

This person is even further south plotting than Peloponnesians.

I would wonder if they have some islander ancestry. But either way, I do think their result is close to what the Greeks who settled in southern Italy would have been like, which explains why the more Greek areas do have a small push toward Balto-Slavic peoples.

There is nothing Balto-Slavic about Greeks,neither Sicilian ones nor Mainlanders.

What do Greeks have to do with the Balticum???

If you compare a Greek with an Arab person or a Sicilian who has more Arab ancestry and observe that the Greek is more
close to Baltic than this Arab or Sicilian,this is almost trivial and basicly doesn't means anything.

[Sikeliot]

There is nothing Balto-Slavic about Greeks,neither Sicilian ones nor Mainlanders.

What do Greeks have to do with the Balticum???

If you compare a Greek with an Arab person or a Sicilian who has more Arab ancestry and observe that the Greek is more
close to Baltic than this Arab or Sicilian,this is almost trivial and basicly doesn't means anything.

I have come to realize you are going to deny it no matter what evidence is put in front of you. I posted every mainland Greek in one thread if you want to see how they are far from homogenous region to region and surely Slavic influence plays a part.

[Tauromachos]

Sicilians don't really shift southwest of Greeks though, they're more like an intermediate between Greece and Cyprus with some North African thrown in.

Sikeliot,the pseudo Sicilian wannabe Cypriot...

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot,the pseudo Sicilian wannabe Cypriot...

Why is that worthy of eye rolling? What I said was true, and it wasn't even in this thread. Why are you getting nasty with me over it?